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Apr182007

"How do you charge $155 for a weekend round...without saying this is where Tiger has played and where Tiger is going to play?"

Buried in Ron Kroichick's story about the San Francisco City Council's supposed concern over having lost $140,000 during the WGC-Amex is this:

This issue arises at a time when city officials are grappling with how to reverse steady losses at their six municipal courses. They had hoped Harding's increased visibility would help pay for the course's extensive renovation in 2002 and 2003, which was projected to cost $16 million but ran more than $7 million over budget.

"A lot of people feel burned from 2002 and the way (the) whole Harding rebuild went down," Elsbernd said. "All sorts of promises were made, many of which didn't come true. I think there's a feeling of 'We don't want to touch anything to do with golf.'

"But no matter where we go with golf as a whole, we don't survive without the PGA Tour's presence. Honestly, how do you charge $155 for a weekend round (for out-of-towners) without saying this is where Tiger has played and where Tiger is going to play?"

 

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An equally valid question is, How do you charge $155 for a weekend round with a straight face? It seems Harding Park has chosen an economic model that is responsible for the closing of daily fee courses all across the country.

Surely the promotional value of the WGC was worth the $140,000 they lost -- or would be if their pricing model was not extortionate.
04.18.2007 | Unregistered Commenterjneu
Ah, just stick it to the out-of-towners seems to be the prevailing trend in municipal golf course management these days. Doesn't Torrey Pines hammer the out of town folk as well? I wouldn't mind paying a premium as a non-resident, but come on. You would think that they would want the non-resident play (those are the kind of people that wander into your pro shop buying overpriced shirts and hats too).

As for the politicians beefing about a loss of $140k, do they really think that there wasn't that much of an increase in financial benefit to the taxpayers by way of taxes on hotels, et cetera, et cetera?
04.18.2007 | Unregistered CommenterSmolmania
How does a "renovation" of a golf course come out to $24 million?
04.18.2007 | Unregistered CommenterRobert Thompson
Robert, it's a city-owned golf course. It happens.
The Harding Park complex was intended by Frank "Sandy" Tatum to become big business. It had to, to pay back the money "borrowed" from the kids playground fund, and to also maintain this new beauty in a suitable fashion, beginning at $4M per year.

Decades of neglect had put the complex in this position, so I wouldn't blame Mr. Tatum for simply trying to wrest some of what was taken from golf income for many many years.

Golf is no longer the cash-cow for cities, like it was. Even if a professional golf tour keeps its word, this was still going to be a mighty tough road to hoe.

04.18.2007 | Unregistered CommenterOscar
Any problems SF is having with Harding Park are created by the city, not the tour

1-the course was supposed to cost 16mm to renovate, and wound u going over budget by 7 million. Am i the only one to think that 26 mm to build a golf course, WITHOUT LAND, is insane.

I thought graft was bad in SF, but this is really too much.

2-golf, for a city resident, is $46, not $155, or $59 on weekends. For seniors it is $31 during the week. Maybe those using the course should be asked to pay something approaching the cost of operating it?

Enough with the "people cant afford it". then dont redo the course, or at least dont let the materials walk off the site to the tune of 7 million.
04.18.2007 | Unregistered Commenterford
Earth to the land of Pelosi--if you are getting $500,000 for hosting the tournament and you lost money last time, ASK FOR MORE MONEY--or dont do it.
04.18.2007 | Unregistered Commenterbob
The extra $7 million was for the clubhouse, the majority of which was privately funded. The $16 million was funded by a state loan that did not cut budgets from any other Park & Rec. operation. I am amazed that Kroichick continues to ignore this. He also fails to cite the promises that were made and not delivered.

The renovation was completely worth it for a course ranked #3 in US munis behind Bathpage and Torrey...the true impact cannot be judged until after all the professional tourneys are conducted. By spreading them out over a decade, it assured that the course would not fall back into disrepair.

Sandy was not after big business; he wanted to leave his legacy on a gem of a course with a lot of history for future generations. He did so largely on his own after enduring false starts from the City, a back-out from Palmer management, significant loss in tourism revenue post 9/11, resistance from the Harding Men's Club, etc. It is also home to the local First Tee program in an area where it isn't window dressing.

The Board of Supervisors fails to embrace an asset worthy of hosting an elite competition that provides free advertising because some spreadsheet claims a loss of $140k after one of five events are even played. This comes less than three months after Sandy and the Mayor's office reached a compromise with the PVB posse when it could have gone the way of Vickers.
As an SF resident, this is pathetic and embarrassing.
04.18.2007 | Unregistered CommenterNRH
did they really think they'd get that many out of town t times? most people who come to the city and want to play golf don't. the pga tour duped another city yet again.
04.19.2007 | Unregistered Commentergolfis4losrs
duped was a bad word. sorry. at least harding is now the gem we always knew it was. now, get to work on gleneagles!
04.19.2007 | Unregistered Commentergolfis4losrs
golfis4losers -

SF City isn't going to touch another golf course project after the debacle with Harding. They are also reviewing the viability of running Sharp Park and are exploring leasing it out to a 3rd party or selling it outright.


You have to question the PGA Tour for the expenditures to rennovate the course as it was their design house and staff that did the work.

SF has proven once again what many cities across the US already know, that city beaucracy can not run a successful business.
04.19.2007 | Unregistered CommenterBob S
Worse yet. At some of the TPC course you can spend upwards of $150 to be part of the "tour experience" you get a caddie fully dressed in a painter outfit with your name on the back. Plus a full history of who hit what shot in what tournament from your current lie. You will wonder around aimlessly wonder whats going on until you finally realize that you spent 150 bucks to be dazzled with bullshit. All this to blind you from the golf course you played. It is all about the client and providing a good product.
04.20.2007 | Unregistered CommenterFAROUCK

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