Stack and Tilt Follow Up, Vol. 1
The original post on Mike Bennett and Andy Plummer's teaching method received all sorts of intriguing comments, including someone signing under Andy's name (and sounding like him!).
After fiddling with the concept on the range a bit Sunday, I have to say I love backswing concept because I've never believed the traditional weight shift was a natural move (nor very easy on the right knee). But as for the downswing, I'm still not clear on what thought or sensation you want to trigger. So I have the same question as reader Mike Uysal, who wrote that Plumber and Bennett...
...advocates upward thrust of the buttock muscles while the arms are swinging down. MY QUESTION IS: As the body stands up through the soda can being crushed with the left leg (right hand player) - are the arms swinging down or is the trunk rotating left and tilting with arms close to the rib cage?
In other words, is it an arm swing or trunk rotation?
Anyone out there understand the question he/we are asking and have a thought? Because Lord knows, we all need more swing thoughts!
Reader Comments (25)
I have been working on this swing this year and can tell you that when you do make solid contact you really compress the ball and the sound is very clear.
Thanks for the tip and for posting.
Geoff
i have been working on this for 1 1/2 years with a longtime pupil of andy's who plays the mini tour and got to spend a couple hours with andy once before.
my understanding is that when you crunch the coke can and then spring up, rotation will occur. i'm no expert but i guess the momentum of this left move carrys you around as long as you allow the left leg to straighten. the straightening of the left leg allows the hips to continue turning. keep the pressure in your armpits to keep the arms on the body. keep the handle pushing forward ahead of the clubhead to prevent the clubhead from rolling and to prevent the clubhead from being thrown outside.
bottom line, i think you should have some good results thinking crush the coke can and keep the arms on the body. (try hitting balls with a tee under each armpit)
Do me a favor look up Aaron Baddeley's ball striking stats. Unless you are as a good a putter as he is you have no chance. Same with Mac O'Grady he had some of the worse ball striking stats when he played as well. I don't know who else works with these guys but check their stats too. I think Weir just started working with them.
3. armour III
7. john cook
25. mackenzie
107. axley
145. d wilson
151. weir
164. wi
177. baddeley
183. faxon (just started with them, says they are the best he's ever worked with, and he's worked with them all...never been able to hit it)
I love stack and tilt, have 14 handicap last three round were 79, 78 and 76. Now if I could solve the block with driver?
I am still fading the ball on a fairly consistant basis. What exactly are the arm positions supposed to be? I think I need to keep them closer to my body, but am not sure?
Any ideas?
Mike
I also had trouble with thin hits. I found out my head has to stay in the center, but my weight needed to be to the left. If the head is centered but moves just a little bit forward on the downswing your center will shift and because you already are on your left side. you are then to far forward causing the thin hit. Look at the picture it looks like he is leaning back but he has just moved his midsection more forward, not his head. Step on the can but keep your head centered. When you practice try not to move any grass in back of your ball. After a few balls you will notice you are placing your ball in about the same spot but you have a 1" hole dig in the front. Amazing
Excellent results for me. I play to a 2 handicap, and have starting shooting more rounds under par than over par as a result of better control of trajectory and distance on approach shots.
The move back is also pertinent if one wants to be consistent with the driver. I also suggest teeing the driver up slightly more forward with this swing to allow time to shallow out a bit more at the bottom. It also allows more room for the rotation of the forward swing to get back on the target line before moving back to the inside across the body while the upperarms stay close to the body on the follow through.
The turn and motion of the lower body is much easier when the upper body is going slightly in the opposite direction. No need to worry about plane as that will be determined by your posture when setting up. Just as you swing back move your head slightly forward and your plane will happen automatically. I initiate the down swing by driving my right heel upward and the swing just happens. Hope that might work for you.
This method should be taught to all new golfers and women would benefit in particular as most keep their weight on their front foot.
No teachers in England I can find.
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