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Friday
Aug152008

Oakland Hills: 2008 PGA vs. 1996 U.S. Open

In the post PGA coverage, Brett Avery offers a rather astounding chart in the Golf World stat package (PDF).

Now I'm in favor of the groove rule change because it has the potential to restore the importance of firm greens, but will only be meaningful if an increase in fairway width comes with it.

However, the USGA and R&A continue to contend that armed with V-grooves, the world's best will be forced to respect rough and therefore they will have to throttle back in an attempt to hit more fairways. In other words, it's a backdoor way of rolling back distance increases. I still believe it's pure fantasy, but hey, if it makes them happy and leads to other positives, so be it.

Yet no study has determined how much fairway narrowing has played a role in the driving accuracy decreases so regularly cited as the cause for regulating grooves.

So here we have Oakland Hills, host to the 1996 U.S. Open and on the cusp of the distance explosion, and again host to the 2008 PGA where a remodel narrowed fairways and rough was farmed and coifed.

The 2008 field median was 30 yards longer off the tee than in 1996 while the fairway's hit median dropped 8 fairways.

The governing bodies would like us to believe that these dramatic increases in distance and decreases in accuracy are a result of players finding themselves armed with U-grooves that persuades them to flog drives with reckless disregard for the awful fairway contours crafted to take driver out of their bag.

Seems in the case of Oakland Hills that the radically improved driver/ball combination (oh and of course, the increased athleticism!) along with a further reduction in width since 1996 was likely much more significant than the grooves in fostering such radical differences in distance and accuracy.

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Geoff--do you have any data or know of any on the actual fairway widths used during these two tournaments, or any other similar comparison across time?

In other words, I believe you when you contend fairways are being set up more narrow--but does anyone know by how much?

Another thing that has to be considered is that increased distance magnifies directional error. Even with the same fairway widths, AND no bombing/flogging, longer driving would almost have to result in lower accuracy ratings.

Finally, the statistic the USGA is using to substantiate its hypothesis on bomb & gouge is a coefficient of correlation/regression type statistic. This shows correlation, but tells us nothing about causation. In other words, the correlation between driving accuracy and money earned is decreasing. This does NOT prove, however, that less accurate driving is the cause.

Finally, even if you accept their correlation stat, it's a very messy one. Correlating the ranks in driving distance and earnings is fraught with noise--it doesn't correct for number of tournaments played, for instance.

I, however, have a feeling that today's players, used to getting ideal spin for all types of shots, will freak when they start hitting flyers, and especially when they lose some control on greenside short shots. It wouldn't surprise me at all if after a year of two, you started seeing PGA Tour players requesting balls which spin more around the greens. There is very little distance pressure on modern players; I'm guessing they'd give up yards willingly if they had to to get more spin around the green.
08.16.2008 | Unregistered Commenter86general
In 1996, the winner took 121 putts, but hit 50 greens.

In 2008, the winner took 108 putts, and only hit 41 greens.

So when they tightened/lengthened the course, great putting with average ball striking won. When the course was more open, great ball-striking with average putting won.
08.17.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJim Nugent
Any more than one variable in an experiment can not result in a definitive conclusion......claimed results are merely speculation and opinion.
08.17.2008 | Unregistered Commenterprofessor
Jim Nugent: won't those nine extra missed greens account for many of the thirteen fewer putts? The approach shots are presumably hit closer to the pin than those from greater distances.
08.17.2008 | Unregistered Commenterjneu
jneu, say Paddy got up and down 100% of those extra misses. He still took 4 less putts. But the numbers say to me that he did NOT get up and down so much: he made 20 birdies, but finished only 3 under par. He had to make lots of bogeys. Which probably means he did not scramble too well.

The picture I get is that Paddy played a much less consistent game. Missed a lot more fairways and greens. Made far more bogeys. But also took 13 less putts and made nearly twice as many birdies. No surprise, given the miraculous putting we saw him produce on the back nine Sunday.

As for who was hitting approach shots from closer, Jones' average off the tee was 20 yards less than Paddy. But Oakland Hills was some 250 to 300 yards shorter as well. Would be interesting to see exactly what clubs they hit on their approaches, but sounds to me like they were likely pretty similar.
08.17.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJim Nugent
If you could find out what clubs they hit in 1996 vs. 2008, would we need to take into account how much lofts on irons have changed? My Wilson 1200TN 7-iron from 1989 is probably a few degrees different from a 7-iron now. Does anyone know when the lofts on irons really start changing??
08.17.2008 | Unregistered CommenterComputer geek
The 1977 pga training manual had a 5 iron at 30 degrees and a pitching wedge at 50 so lofts have gone down about 4 degrees or 1 club.When I first got involved in tournament set up in 1989 fairways were expected to be about 30 or 32 yards wide-sometimes wider on the long par 4s and narrower on the short ones.Dont see too many over 25 these days.
08.18.2008 | Unregistered Commenterchico
chico, are the shafts the same lengths on today's iron clubs as they were in 1977?
08.18.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJim Nugent
Jim-some manufacturers have increased their standard length by 1/2 inch but most are still the same.
08.19.2008 | Unregistered Commenterchico
Shaft length is longer, on average, than in '78, but that's for stock clubs, and since pros have always had custom sets, it's hard to really know whether today's tour pros' five irons, for instance, are on average longer or the same as those of the 1970s.

Loft gets discussed quite a bit, but the more I think about it the more confused I get. Static loft measurement is just that, a static number. The club does many things dynamically through impact. Modern head designs have lower CG than typical 1970s design, so the dynamic loft at impact may be unchanged. Also, the interaction of ball and club, and the rotation of the head around vertically around the center of gravity during the hit affects spin (vertical gear effect), which also affects distance and trajectory.

In other words, you simply can't make a meaningful comparison of shots played with the same numbered iron across so many years. It just doesn't make sense. Nicklaus's 1971 5 iron is much different, in many, many ways, than the 5 iron used by a typical tour pro today; the only thing that's the same is the number. Even today's muscleback clubs are very different than '70s vintage blades, with different blade lengths, sole dimensions, etc.
08.19.2008 | Unregistered Commenter86general
General I agree with a lot of what you say but its more in woods that shaft lengths increased.Dynamic loft is the most important as you say but a blade is still a blade and a lot of tour pros use them so there is a reasonable comparison.Shafts have improved hugely so its not surprising that a combination of fitter,stronger players,a better shaft,less loft and a ball that goes for miles that distances are so different.Richard Boxall(ex tour pro now with Sky Sports)did some testing recently.He still uses blades.He compared his 1996 6 iron and a Titleist ball from the same time against his present 6 iron and a pro v1 and he averager 22 yards more-not bad!
08.20.2008 | Unregistered Commenterchico

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