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Friday
Jul102015

USGA On Trump: "We're Evaluating" 

I'm just getting around to today's Trump reading and all signs point to the golf v. Donald matter not really subsiding.

Randall Mell on the USGA Thursday press conference at Lancaster CC during the U.S. Women's Open where Executive Director Mike Davis was asked about the controversial host of the 2017 U.S. Women's Open.

“I can’t speak for the other golf organizations, but I can for the USGA say that we have not wanted to get involved in politics, presidential politics, but at the same time we are about diversity, about inclusion, about growing the game,” USGA executive director Mike Davis said Thursday at the U.S. Women’s Open. “We are evaluating things, and at this point that’s all we can say.”

With Trump Bedminster just down the street from Golf House, there's no telling how much needs to be sorted out here. Oh, the joys of neighborship!

Bradley Klein considers the Trump golf brand and how the unraveling of golf v. Trump impacts the cache built up of late.

That brand is now two-fold: in the form of marketing and of a recognizable aesthetic. By putting his name on each of his 17 properties, he has unavoidably, and in fact quite systematically, created a unique mode of consumer identification with his product. No one else has done that in golf course development. Not in such personal terms.

And James Corrigan of The Telegraph warns that golf might want to be careful in cutting ties to Trump and opening up other worm cans.

But what should the R&A do about keeping Trump Turnberry on the Open roster?

My advice would be nothing. After all, Royal Troon may be having a review into their membership policy but next year’s Open venue still does not allow women to be members. Neither does Muirfield.

Meanwhile, many of the sponsors which keep the sport awash in greenbacks could hardly be said to be squeaky clean. Golf should stay away from the high ground for a while yet. Otherwise that tremendously infectious disease called hypocrisy could pour across its borders.

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At this point, this political play is a little bit like watching a stage of the Tour de France where there are going over wet cobblestone.

The consultants must be making a bundle.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered Commenterjohnny ktown
I wonder if Trump's doing more damage to golf than Phil Mickelson's (probable?) gambling/money laundering. I feel like too many people are paying attention to Trump and not enough to Phil, but Trump is a much worse human being, so maybe it's justified. I dunno.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterJim S
Geoff, it would be interesting to see a poll here on how serious golfers have responded to the Trump brand. Does it connote 1) a well groomed golf course, 2) a fancy-dan showpiece that's only good for client golf, 3) a very expensive cart ride, or 4) something else.

I liked the old Blue Monster, for instance. Have no interest in the Trump version. But then I haven't played it so maybe I'm missing the experience of a lifetime. The Ferry Point course is showy but I'd say it was at least intriguing. I'd go back. Or at least I used to think I'd go back. The idea of putting one dime in Trump's pocket now strikes me as abhorrent. Such are the travails of a Brand.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterClaude
Can't wait for the Trumposity:

"David Fey is loser!"
"I;ll sue those morons!"
"This is the finest course in New Jersey! The second finest is my course in Colts Neck!"
"I won't let losers and morons run golf"
"I AM GOLF"
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
"We're evaluating" ... aka, wait and see?
07.10.2015 | Unregistered Commentergaelgowfer
@Claude, my thoughts as a golfer on Trump:

First, I'll say right up front that I'm a screaming liberal and I think Trump is a horrible human being. But, I'm going to put that aside and focus on his clubs/courses.

I've played 6 of his courses at 5 clubs: Bedminister (both courses), Colts Neck, LA, Charlotte, DC. Generally speaking, the courses are well maintained, fun to play and have certain signature touches that are generally nice. There's always a giant flag to aim at on one of the holes, there's always water on 18, the club house is white, etc. The clubhouses are usually nice, if a tad garish because of his ostentatious design aesthetic. This isn't universally true, though. Charlotte was designed as part of a psuedo Cape cod village, so it has slightly different design issues. All the courses (save Charlotte), are walk able and there are caddies. Sometimes the caddies are mandatory. Having played DC before and after he bought it, I thought his changes, such as bringing the river into view, were good, although the horrible water feature he added on 18 is an affront to the course.

Now, I looked at joining the one in DC. Two courses. Caddies mandatory at ALL TIMES on the better course. So, if you want to slip out for a quick couple holes one evening after work, you and everyone else is playing the other course. He is unabashedly elitist about that. He doesn't want the less financially well off members to play the better course. It fits with his worldview that golf is for the rich and the elite. I'm plenty well off and could join his club, but frankly, I don't need a snooty club. I just want a group of like minded single digit players to play with.

And that, ultimately, is how I view Trump: as someone who has a nice product to sell (the golf courses), but he wraps it up with a big bow of elitism that doesn't appeal to me, and frankly makes the game look like the province of rich, white jerks with dated ideas, essentially turning U.S. golf back 50+ years. There's a place for elite clubs. There's a place for public golf. But, it would be far better for the game if the loudest spokesperson for the sport weren't so completely in the first camp.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
As a Presidential candidate - one that looks not be short lived - of course, corporations and entities have to limit their business with a candidate... DUH !

Recent comments (botched in regards to the interpretation) have very little to do with actions to pare back dealings with Trump.

Once Presidential run is over - whenever that is - business for him will come back... #simple.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterJohn C
@Claude. One of my goals in life is to play the top 50 courses in the world as voted by Architects. refer http://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/Article/Architects-Choice-Top-100-Golf-Courses-in-the-World/2823/Default.aspx I've played 34 including all the UK/Scotland courses except for 'Trump' Turnberry. I wish I had played it before he bought it as I now resign myself to aiming for 48 of the courses. I will not play a Trump course under any circumstances due to my disdain over his comments re: golf been an 'aspirational' game. I would be very surprised if some of the courses he 'owns' do not go bankrupt in the next few years. History has a habit of repeating itself, especially when banks probably own the majority of the courses.

Note: I also don't expect to ever play Augusta, therefore the 48 :-)
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterIan B
I love all the "protest" - "i would not play a golf course because blah blah blah"

Good heavens. As much of a dick that I think Putin is, if he built a course and it got good reviews, I would probably check it out.

Even a course designed by that soulless narcissist Tiger Woods, I would check it out as well if the reviews were decent.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterAbu Dhabi Golfer
"..., but at the same time we are about diversity, about inclusion, about growing the game,”

"Hey, that guy has a different opinion than some other people, kick him out of the game! Diversity!"
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterGolfin' Dolphin
The problem isn't that The Donald has a different opinion than "some other people." The problem is that "some other people" are the heads of the USGA, and the opinion contradicts what they're paid to espouse.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered Commenter3foot1
This is another example of a relatively small group of left wing extremists and their mainstream media cronies yelling long and loud and the low info crowd jumps into the fray.
The majority of Americans know we have a problem and want something done.
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07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterBogey
Right. They're all about diversity and inclusion as long as you say you believe exactly what they want you to believe.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterGolfin' Dolphin
Love all the cucks here claiming they won't play Trump courses. Do you do that with every place you do business with? Do you verify that everyone that owns or works in a place you do business in hold media-approved viewpoints?
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterGolfin' Dolphin
@ Golfin' Dolphin. No, I don't (to both questions). Only with entities that openly state that golf should be an elite sport. BTW: I'm Australian, I couldn't give a flying f..k about Trump and US politics, what the media says, etc. To me it's about golf, and Trump exemplifies one of the reasons why golf is struggling globally; it's seen as too elite. To that end, I will never play one of his golf courses. Period.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterIan B
@Abu Dhabi Golfer. Tiger, despite his personal failings (which I don't care about), has been wonderful for the game of golf. I'd love to play a course he designed. And if Putin built a golf course (somewhat unlikely) and I was given an opportunity to play, I'd take it. Trump's a different kettle of fish. He's not doing anything positive for golf, only inflating his ego further with borrowed money. I'd challenge anyone to say what good has Trump done for the long term future of golf?
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterIan B
"All the clucks"? I only see one.

And lest you all think Trump's presidential run will be short-lived: he's now leading in the polls. LOL.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
@Claude, ah. Yeah, vitriol is a staple on the right. I gave you my thoughts on his courses. Enjoy as courses, but they aren't really the club for me, and not because of the expense. If you want humor, find the Twitter spat between Trump and the writer for Modern Family. It devolves to Trump repeatedly putting the hashtag "Loser" and "Moron" and the writer noting that among the things Trump inherited from his father, a thesaurus was not one of them. Zing!

@GW: what country did Dylan Roof illegally sneak in from? What about James Holmes? Tim McVeigh?
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterThe O
“We are evaluating things, and at this point that’s all we can say.”

Now that's an experienced CEO.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered Commenterol Harv
It's a sad state of affairs when an Ann Coulter article is pasted onto this blog site. Oh dear...
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterIan B
@Claude
Cheapened the discourse? Made the national conversation dirtier? It's already cheap and dirty. He's giving it the appropriate respect it deserves.

@GW I'd respond but delivering the verbal shiv would likely get me banned from this site.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterGolfin' Dolphin
Trump is a horrible human being.

I feel the same way about you O.. now go and burn a book or ban a flag..
ADG:

Love how you were able to sneak in another dig at TW in a Trump thread; I am reminded of the X-wing pilot in Star Wars: you really do "stay on target." :)
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterSari
The cutting and pasting of an Ann Coulter column on this site makes me actually miss the relative intelligence of Melvyn Three Names's drivel.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterRickABQ
I don't understand; if writers, commentators and assorted persons in the corporate, media and -- golf! -- worlds are going to offer up serious judgments on the golfing enterprises of Donald Trump and his corporate organization, I'd say that the political gauntlet has been thrown down.

And including Ann Coulter's commentary is fair game, in that regard. I've always liked Ann; a Michigan Law School grad, a federal judicial clerk and the product of a terrific team of staffers in Senator Spencer Abraham's office. And one of the sharpest commentators in America today.

I gotta say further; I agree with Geoff Shackelford on about 99% of his golf-related views. And I am just guessing that we wouldn't agree on a whole lot in politics. But it matters not to me; I'm here for the golf, and I adore Geoff's "golf."

I particularly like Geoff's apparently light hand in moderating these Trump threads. I think the whole Trump/immigrant thing is a politically-charged witchhunt coming from the Left. And yet Trump is legit golfing news, and Geoff is dutifully reporting it. It is bound to get messy in an internet forum, and there's nothing anybody can do about that.

(I don't much subscribe to Donald Trump's politics, and the funny thing to me is that his comments about Mexican immigrants weren't his most outlandish ones. Nobody seems to think much about his proposal for a 35% tariff on all autos assembled in Mexico. Or how as President, Trump could personally will such a tariff into being.)
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterChuck
Trump has baggage. Sorry but that's a fact. He's a hot air filled clown who climbed out of mediocrity by saying "you're fired!" on TV. Even if what he says about immigration has merit, the fact he can't speak clearly and eloquently and his past comes with him. An intelligent and practiced politician would be able to talk about the subject without calling a whole race names, and inciting fear by saying "they are raping our women." Trump is a fool and people placing their hopes in him leading them out of the problems with the border and immigration are clipping their wagons to the wrong horse.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterPress Agent
@Press Agent

Trump was doing just fine before he had a TV show
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterGolfin' Dolphin
@Sari - when you are trying to hit a 3 ft wide vent on the Tiger Woods Death Star, you have to stay very very focused!
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterAbu Dhabi Golfer
It's not just Trump's latest bombast re immigration but his entire history of business dealings. Sure he's had some success, but you hear very little about his flops, like the Baja Calif. debacle. Yes we have an immigration problem that needs to be solved, and if he addressed it like a sane person (which he's not) he might have gained some credibility.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterTLB
If only he had addressed it like a sane person, like those same politicians that still haven't taken care of anything.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterGolfin' Dolphin
How big are the Board Members at Winged Foot, Augusta National, Seminole, Shinnecock, Belair, LACC, and so on and so on on diversity ? To what extent to these folk not believe that golf is "aspirational"? And if they don't, what do they do about that ? If you polled their membership, how "inclusive" of illegal aliens do you think they are ? But Trump is a freak, an oddball,and is giving golf a bad name ? Please, he is NO different from any of them, just louder.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
Trump is louder because they have the good sense to remain silent.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered Commenter3foot1
USGA and PGA should only have tournaments in sanctuary cities thereby risking participants lives........survival should be part of the game.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterCLS
It is a shame to see some of the discourse on this. Referring to people who disagree with the Donald as cucks, implying they allow their women to sleep with men of other races because they can't satisfy them is pretty disgusting, but something to be expected from a Trump follower. Thinly veiled racism and a lack of class are the two things you and the Donald have in common. Sometimes it is better to think before you speak.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterOneputtforpar
Guys-I saw Trump and Davis have lunch at Ferry Point the end of May.
He's pandering to the extreme right of the Republican Party. The lunatic fringe. Smart strategy if he wants to win a Republican primary. Though that strategy usually gets that candidate DESTROYED in a general election since most voters have common sense.

I'm enjoying his brand and businesses suffer. I've known he was a total a-hole since the 1980's.

Just read Chuck's comments on Ann Coulter. Wow! You write, "I've always like Ann..one of the sharpest commentators in America today" You're definitely who Trump is pandering to--the lunatic fringe!
07.10.2015 | Unregistered Commenterredneck
Sounds like only ppl on the other side get labeled as the 'lunatic fringe'

... keeping with the golfing theme - there's a lot less space in the lunatic fringe
than what occupies the green lunatics.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterJohn C
"An intelligent and practiced politician would be able to talk about the subject without calling a whole race names..." -Press Agent. This entire discussion about Trump has been ...trumped up by the journalists into a bandwagon that non-thinkers now jump on to. Trump specifically spoke negatively about ILLEGAL Mexican immigrants. While it was definitely not wise for him to tread so close to the racism vortex, and he probably meant to include illegal Latin Americans in general, Trump never "called a whole race names" as Press Agent incorrectly wrote.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered Commenterrightward rough
Mike Davis said Thursday at the U.S. Women’s Open. “We are evaluating things, and at this point that’s all we can say.” Yeah, he's evaluating how many illegal immigrants are employed by the USGA, golf courses across the USA, and landscaping companies doing work for the USGA, Mike Davis's personal properties, and any golf courses.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered Commenterrightward rough
Trump could have called Mexico the greatest country in the world and its citizens, current and former, a nation of scholars and gentleman, and he would still be an insufferable blowhard with a personality disorder and zero chance at the Presidency, so why are you guys arguing about any of this?

I, for one, am glad for anything that knocks this guy on his ass and gets him off of my television, so I hope the USGA balks at any further relationship with him, and if it takes this controversy -- stoked by the media or not -- to do it, then I say, good job, liberal media.
07.10.2015 | Unregistered CommenterLouis Friend

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