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Tuesday
Nov292016

Nicklaus Calls For Special Golf Balls For Courses, But Why Won't He Make The Ball?

Jack Nicklaus' consistency on golf ball regulation is a thing to admire and he continued to lament the expansion of the golf course footprint at this week's HSBC Golf Business Forum.

Here were his comments from a press release summarizing views expressed during a chat with Giles Morgan at the Marriott Sawgrass Resort and Spa.

Despite the positive signs from the increased media interest in tournament golf, the game faces significant challenges—be it from a cost perspective, difficulty for some golfers, and a commitment of time. For Nicklaus, an award-winning course designer whose firm has 410 courses in 41 countries, that challenge can partly be associated with the golf ball.
 
“Fact is, more golf courses have closed in the US in each of the last 10 years than have opened. This is thanks in great part to changes in the golf ball and the distance it travels. Courses have had to change along with it. It’s now a slower game and more expensive than before, and that can’t be a good thing. We don’t want to change the game for the core golfer, but we need to make every effort to offer alternatives to bring more people into the game and keep them in the game. I think we need to develop a golf ball to suit the golf course, rather than build courses to suit a golf ball. Whether it’s a ball that goes 50%, 75%, or 100%, you play a ball that fits the course and your game.
 
“It’s not that big a deal. We used to do it when travelling to play the Open and switching from the large ball to the small. It took us only a day to get used to a different ball. But when land is a dear commodity and water is scarce, you need to do something to respond to today’s situation. It’s the same in life and business."

And yet, even though he's in the golf ball business, Mr. Nicklaus has refused to make the golf balls he describes above. They could easily be branded by naming them after his courses. The 75% Muirfield Village ball would be a staple of pro shops at places like Pine Valley, Merion and National and used by traditionalists who want to play the course as it was designed.

This is not hard. I just don't get it.

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Bear's has been consistent over a long time. And RIGHT. As Bobby Russell once said, "An arms race in golf makes no sense at all." No question about it. Balls & clubs have changed the Game, and not for the better.
11.29.2016 | Unregistered Commenterrrr
There should be an official " competition" ball for all USGA/local golf ass'ns and PGAT and minor tour events. Let the recreational golfers, most of whom shouldn't be playing courses beyond 6400y, have fun with the current golf balls.
I think Nicklaus is somewhat off base about course closures. Yes, water cost in places like CA is a big factor, but close in to major cities courses have closed because their land is more valuable for development- commercial and residential. Owners want to cash out. It's the American way.
11.29.2016 | Unregistered CommenterSteven T.
"This is not hard. I just don't get it."

It's simple, your idea would only lose money. Businesses that only lose money are not of interest to any rational business people.
11.29.2016 | Unregistered CommenterGundlach
This is not hard. I just don't get it.
Nicklaus comments apply to a very small minority of players- mainly professionals, who don't buy golf balls anyway and anyone who hits a tee shot consistently more than, say, 280 yards. These players should use a ball which goes less far. to prevent every hole being a drive and a wedge. Or driving several par 4s at St Andrews. The rest of us, 95% of the golf ball buying public, don't.
Jack needs to put his money where his mouth is or stop talking about rolling back the ball.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterDavidC
Ah, Jack and the irony. He is right on the ball for 5% of the golfers max. Most guys don't hit the ball more than 220 off the tee so the ball doesn't matter for most golfers. The irony is that Jack built 400 very hard courses out of his 410. And Jack's courses are not fun to play. I have played over 1200 courses and I avoid Nicklaus courses at all costs.

Maybe his ball comments are to take attention away from the body of his design work which contributes more to the state of golf than longer courses which can always be played from shorter tees.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterLefty
Geoff, in fairness to Jack, there was the Cayman ball experiment when he owned MacGregor. Not exactly what you are talking about, but along the same lines. Total flop. So the posters who have mentioned the profit angle are not wrong. The lead has to come from the governing bodies.

Colin - not sure I completely agree with you. I consider myself very average distance for an amateur (240-250 carry). The issue I have with the new ball is, while I've gained a few yards, the longest players have seemed to gain exponentially. I honestly can't relate to the distances top amateurs and pros hit it anymore, and it has made the game less interesting for me.

Lefty - could not agree more re Jack's courses. Played Pawley Plantation in Myrtle this past August. I can't imagine anyone has fun playing that everyday. Angular greens, few (if any) bailout options.....not much fun. But he's not wrong about the ball
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterPaul W
In 1991, when I started playing golf, there was a tournament ball...the balata. We had our two piece rocks and understood if the pros hit them, they would drive further than when using balatas, but give up spin and control. But soon the Pro v came along and changed all that, promising us 100mph and less swingers 300 yard drives for really expensive balls. Pros get paid a lot of money to endorse that claim, so they are guilty too. Ridiculous stretching out courses to 7,800 yards for the few.
Just roll back the ball for tournaments just 10% and stop kidding many golfers they can boom it when they can't hit a 7 iron 140 yards in the air.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterEasingwold
I don't see how people expect to have a tournament ball, and the current ball be used outside of tournaments. Look at the freak out that the new Wilson driver wasn't on the conforming list. "We'll ship them back".

How do you expect golf shop owners to stock both tournament and current balls on the racks?

When this was discussed in the past there was a solid discussion on this blog about handicap entry. You would have to add what ball was played to get a reasonable handicap. Although the way other things are moving with the solo rounds not being eligible entering handicap scores at all might become a thing of the past.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterMattS
Tournament play could reduce distance a little by deleting tees. Make every tee shot required to be played from the ground and no mounding allowed. Amateurs get tees pros do not- like field goals used to be in college vs. pros. Pros hit driver off the deck all the time- make it a condition of competition requirement.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered Commentermunihack
@MattS Hold on... the new Wilson driver will be certified. Do you think Wilson is stupid?Yes, they rushed it to market. They wont be shipped back. They'll be in the back room until certified. Also, I don't see too many pros or high level ams actually buying balls at PGA Superstores, etc. Why would a recreational golfer (99%) use a "competition" ball and give up distance? Bifurcation makes too much sense.... I'm not alone.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterSteven T.
Paul is right. The long guys are exponentially longer.

It deflates the mood for most knowing guys are driving +320. It's OK to be outdriven by 30/40 yards, not 90/100. Now it seems more like professional baseball or football and it's a game for kids.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterDon
It's crazy that there isn't already a competition (specification) ball. (or balls) With different spin characteristics etc, but ALL have a length cap, that is rolled back 10-15% like Easingwold said.
It would be so easy to do: a competition specification is developed. Each manufacturer makes a competition spec ball. For Joe Average, the vast assortment of other balls are still available, but I can guarantee the manufacturers will still sell lots of competition balls because people like to play what the pros play - even if they are giving up some distance. The manufacturers still sell lots of golf balls, tournaments are more interesting, pros have to hit some long and mid irons, skill comes back into the game....everyone wins. It's pathetic and sad that it hasn't already happened. The business of golf is ruining the game of golf.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterPress Agent
Steven T. - If people won't buy clubs they can't use in competition why would they buy balls they can't use in competition? That was the comparison I was trying to make.

Keeping in mind that 90+% of golfers would never play in an actual competition, ever.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterMattS
"This is not hard, I just don't get it"
Not surprising ... I'm sure Mr. Nicklaus is impressed with your track record in the golf business, that is, making a living sniping and taking cheap shots. Shackelford telling Nicklaus how to run his business?...thanks for the laugh.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterDon't get it
"The business of golf is ruining the game of golf." - @ Press Agent, I tend to agree with this statement, but hopefully a game that has been played in one form or another over the past 500 years will survive this distance and time bump.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterBDF
Does anyone really think golf is losing steam because of the golf ball ? The ball has nothing to do with people not taking the game up. Golf at the elite level has almost nothing to do with the golf 97 % of us play. Golf is a really hard game to play and it costs money to play all the golf you have to play to get any good at it. I don't know one guy that thinks he hits the ball too far. There are many amateur golfers that hit the ball really far and they ALL want to hit it farther. Rolling the ball back is not even on the list of things the average player wants to see. Jack Nicklaus operates in a golf world that bears no resemblance to the real golf world. Tour golf , of any kind , does not drive the golf market as much as people like Jack thinks. We want to play decent courses at a reasonable rate and the damn golf ball has nothing to do with the numbers of people leaving the game. If long hitters need 7800 yard courses , let them pay for it. The rest of us play courses between 6000-6800 yards and need every yard we can get out of a golf ball.

Another thing.....MacGregor golf balls were the worst golf balls I have ever played ! It's the only golf ball I threw away in my life. Distance balls have been around for decades. A Pinnacle golf ball was going 15 yards further 30 years ago , if you wanted a rock to hit around the greens.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterJJBeck
I think there is a lot more to be said about 8 minute tee time gaps than then length the golf ball travels.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterChris
Most people who play golf are terrible at golf and would be just fine playing 6000 yard courses. The golf ball or any other equipment has absolutely nothing to do with the closing of courses. If anything, the newer equipment has increased enjoyment and made the game easier for the average player. These are bulk of the people who keep the sport alive and courses open, not the pros who play 7500 yard courses.

He DID hit on some real problems, though, namely that water and land are resources that are not being conserved very well with existing golf courses. These are the kinds of problems that need to be addressed to keep courses open, not equipment tweaks. Make better decisions with the existing courses and get the price to play the game down.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered Commenterjly
Can't really blame Jack for sounding ignorant and/or hypocritical. How many times in the last 50 years do you think someone has told him he's wrong -- ABOUT ANYTHING. Christ, he'll mumble something to someone on a tee box and the whole gallery will crack up. Not to mention it wasn't funny and they couldn't hear it anyway.
Enough 'Genius for Life" cuz you were the best awhile ago.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterDrew Scott
One more time there may be a way to keep/deal with traditional length courses and allow ball manufactures to compete and sponsor players.
Use a tournament supplied ball on 6-9 holes per round and the manufacturer/sponsor ball on the rest. Every course has (or has land /room to create) 1-3 holes where length with sponsor's ball can be showcased. Besides long driving is a skill to be rewarded on some holes. So courses don't become obsolete and fine tradition tracks can be used. Just think about the challenges/controversies that set up folks would face. The mix of tournament vs sponsor ball holes could be changed from round to round. The caddies and players would have to employ even more strategy and creativity.
Tournament and course records from the past would be a problem, but no more so as the ball and course modifications have changed.
Think about it. A bit complicated, but win for today's courses and a win for sponsors and amateurs who want the 'Long, low scoring' ball.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterLoose Imped
If jack really thinks the ball is the reason for the downturn in golf course building or golf course closings then he is either senile or stupid.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterV60
The proverbial toothpaste is out of the tube..........don't see any kind of roll-back or "tournament ball" in the near future becoming a reality.

Blame it on the USGA. They lost control a long time ago. Drivers should have never been allowed to be larger than 190cc - the size of the original Big Bertha.

"The business of golf is ruining the game of golf." Yep I use to be all about the game. Now it is all about the business of the game.

"The irony is that Jack built 400 very hard courses out of his 410. And Jack's courses are not fun to play." Yep. Ahhhhh, the days of the so-called 'slope wars'. Make 'em harder, and harder so we can promote our development has the highest slope rating in the state !!
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterJoe Ezar
Should read IT use to be all about the game, NOT.... I use to be all about the game.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterJoe Ezar
Maybe golf would be less expensive if jack designed courses for less money. No just blame the ball. What a tool. Go away jack you are the problem not the ball. Maybe take all your millions jack and actually build some short nine hole courses for kids, instead you collect large fees build courses that might st people will never play because they can't afford the membership fees and then you blame the hall for the games decline in participation. You sir are delusional. The problem with golf? Too many stuffy snobby rich white prople are involved clinging onto tradition. Bleh, awful. The only tradition that matters is that a course like St. Andrews is part of a community that is accessible to all, even dogs. Get that tradition back into the game here then talk about the ball. Stop making golf courses about real estate development jack.
11.30.2016 | Unregistered CommenterV60
he doesnt make it because he doesnt think anyone will buy it.
12.1.2016 | Unregistered CommenterHerb
Ironic, isn't it, that Geoff calls this the Muirfield Village ball--when the LAST thing any 15 handicapper needs at Muirfield Village, no matter what tees he plays, is LESS distance.
12.1.2016 | Unregistered CommenterEd

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