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Dec222017

Brandel On Distance Cap: "Who is going to pay retribution to the manufacturers whose products will be rescinded?" 

Golf Channel's Brandel Chamblee correctly lamented this year how TPC Sawgrass is now superstar proof because it offers so few chances to hit driver, and five years ago he was pro-bifurcation because the game the cost, length of rounds and other effects were serving no positive purpose.

But that stance was five years ago. Now he's criticizing those who shared his old viewpoints and sounds more concerned with any setting of limits on companies and equipment even though we have limits in place currently.

There have already been more than a few players talk about rolling the ball back, which when one looks a little deeper smacks of the same type of player-sponsor tandem that sought to have square grooves – i.e. Ping’s irons, which were threatening a huge market share at the time – deemed illegal on the PGA Tour a few decades ago. And, of course, there are more than a few “ancient idolaters” who’d like to see wood and balata come back for no other reason than they think the courses of Tillinghast, Thomas, MacKenzie, Raynor, Ross, Crump, and Wilson should be restored to all their majesty.

That's a disappointing and very 2002 characterization of the restoration movement or of those who just want to see the courses play somewhat as they were designed to be played.

When I hear people scream, “Roll the ball back!” I first think, Why the ball and not the rebounding and forgiving metal woods? Why the ball and not the longer lighter shafts? And then I think, At what cost? Who is going to pay retribution to the manufactures[SP] whose products will be rescinded? Who will pay for the lawsuits? Who is going to tell all of those amateurs who have been having a blast hitting the ball farther than they ever have, no more smash?

The pro-bifurcation people, like Brandel Chamblee who made the case very eloquently!

And then I think, that since this really is a problem that affects very few people in the world, namely those who can swing a golf club 120 mph with a fairly high degree of accuracy and who can putt on greens that stimp at 14, wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier and far cheaper to carve out a few teeing grounds here and there on only a select championship courses, slow the courses down with mowing patterns or the height of grasses, and everyone will be happy with the smallest of cost and inconvenience.

Players got slightly longer fairways at Merion 2013 and they're still complaining about the setup!

Still, I'm all for adding new tees as along as the bills are sent to the PGA Tour and paid for by the player pension!

After all, the parameters for the ball and driver have been set in stone, so to speak, for more than a few years now and any improvements in distance and score going forward, for maybe the first time in history, can rightly be attributed to the athlete and not the equipment.

So if things are maxed out on the equipment front, and the room for innovation is gone for pros, then what's the harm in a few tweaks to avoid sending new tee bills to the PGA Tour player pension?

This all said, Chamblee has backed off his recent Twitter assertion that building a few 8,500 yard tournament courses would do the trick. Here's guessing he did the math on that costly experiment.

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Has Chamblee picked up shares of a ball manufacturer in the meantime? Cause that is what this sounds like, protecting an investment.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterPat(another one)
First, I think a person is allowed to change their mind. Second, I disagree with Brandel’s new position. Why, I’ve said it before and won’t bore you anymore. I hate typing on a phone.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMeefer
@Pat, he has bought shares or has become a lobbiest. Either way, that sure sounds like a planned, nuanced arguement with talking points worthy of a PR firm.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBDF
Brandel Chamblee trying to up his endorsement gravy train from Tathata and golf gadgets to the big boys
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJohn C
Hey, Six more years and all the old guys that dont have newish irons with conforming grooves will need to by new clubs. Sounds like a good year to get a new ball as well.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered Commentermark
More than enough time has passed for people to come to grips with who is in charge. If you don't like the product as presented, stop supporting it. That would be you, media, to your own demise. They've got us by the short hair on the ball and equipment. The only hope has to come from the governing bodies. And if the Tour doesn't like it they'll tell them to pound sand and start playing by their own set of criteria if the lose money because of it, leaving the media with 2-4 majors and amateur golf to cover. Somehow I feel they're all in on the current iteration of golf given the RoG proposal they've heaped on top of this mess.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterD. maculata
Normally I think Brandel makes well thought out points, but here he just says a lot without saying anything.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJeff Tackleford
Follow the advertising ...
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJim Herre
If only someone would think about the Game of Golf instead on how much money they will make or not. GREED DOSE NOT BECOME THEM ALL!
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTom Morris
Remove one from The List, eh?
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterErik J. Barzeski
Who will pay retribution? Won't it be that same people that payed retribution to all of those retail stores that Amazon has put out of business? Doesn't Brandel pay retribution to all the golf publications that were put out of business by the popularity of the Golf Channel, its website and its "talking heads" segments? Hell, even I get retribution checks from Tiger and other pro's that are able to earn money playing golf, just because they are more skilled at the game than I am.....doesn't everyone?
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterConvert
Restitution, Brandel. Restitution.

And what S&T says. I'm still waiting for restitution from the USGA for the newish conforming wedges in my bag. Check must have gotten lost in the mail.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
The same people who paid Spalding,Slazenger,Penford,Uniroyal,Dunlop etc when the US forced the rest of the world to switch from the 1.62' ball to 1.68'
No one in US lost a wink of sleep when, with the stroke of a pen, golfers all over the world had 25 yards taken of their drives literally overnight.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMike Clayton
Brought to you by Callaway Chrome Soft, the ball that changed the ball.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye
If the USGA had balls, they would say, screw it, we rolled the ball back in 1931, and we can (should) do it again.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterHardy Greaves
"This really is a problem that affects very few people in the world, namely those who can swing a golf club 120 mph..."
Exactly. So the Classic courses where the Majors and top tournaments are played will have the 5 sets of tees they have now. The pro will sell "Protournament" balls (manufactured by every ball manufacturer) for plus handicap amateurs who fancy their chances playing the ball from the back tees. The pros will get them free of course at every tournament. This scenario is not an economic issue to any manufacturer.

"The only hope has to come from the governing bodies." Or the guys who run the Masters.
Brandel's efforts here are very difficult to differentiate from those of a proud employee of Acushnet.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMatthewM
BC is a troll, the Skip Bayless of golf. His comments on any subject are either intentionally incindiary or exceptionally shallow in thought.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterPecar13
I teach at a pretty big (900+ members) private club

I can't imagine ANY member playing a "shorter" tour ball more than once.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterP Thomas
Wooden drivers.
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDon
One thing Brandel - The game is far more important than the manufacturers. Do you or don't you agree?
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMatt A
The manufacturers do not own the game. The game does not owe the manufacturers. The manufactures owe the game. Make whatever rules you like. The manufacturers must comply!
12.22.2017 | Unregistered CommenterIvan Morris
Brandel Bayless, ladies and gentlemen
12.23.2017 | Unregistered CommenterOliver
What's the big deal?
Whatever course they play or whatever ball they play low score wins!!!
12.23.2017 | Unregistered CommenterObserver
I am weary of this discussion. For the record, I think there should be a rollback or bifurcation, pick one. However, this is really about keeping a handful of older courses relevant in the Professional game. The Old Course is really the only one of these tracks I will ever have the outside chance to play. So does it matter to me if the Pros play Merion again? Or ANGC needs to buy another street? No. Do I think that the governing bodies need to stop the progression now? Yes, I do, but until amateurs stop thinking that distance is the great elixer, I don't see much changing.
12.23.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBDF
BTW, Merry Christmas to all in Shackland. Happy Hanukah, whatever your observance, I wish you all Peace.
12.23.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBDF
For pros, NCAA and USGA men's competition, set limits on ball, COR and driver size at 300cc as of 2020. Why not?
12.23.2017 | Unregistered Commenter3foot1
I want something more basic than being characterised as someone who 'just wants to see the older courses play somewhat as they were designed to be played'. I primarily want a faster, cheaper more sustainable game for all.
12.23.2017 | Unregistered CommenterIvan Morris
"Who is going to pay retribution to the manufactures[SP] whose products will be rescinded? "

Sorry, late to the table but as usual NL S&T, sorry CONVERT and KLG on the money.

BDF, funny comment on BC becoming a lobbyist.
12.23.2017 | Unregistered Commenterol Harv
Giant Fans set up at 200 yards out pointed directly at those pesky back tees.
12.23.2017 | Unregistered CommenterV60
Have people stopped playing baseball because they use a tournament bat? No. Have people stopped playing tennis because they use a tornament ball? No. Get it done-recreational golf wont suffer and tournament golf will be more fun to watch. Whats not to like?
12.24.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
+1 Chico

Amazing that people will actually adapt and carry on.
what is the incentive for pro tours to go away from what the endorsement deals are, the same rules as everybody else, and the change to its' product?

We can talk about classic courses, distance gaps etc,
But endorsement deals from manufacturers are a hugely significant part of tour pros income.

The potential of losing that income stream is an enormous obstacle in. a rule for tour players only.

Which is one reason why I would say if distance is a problem, it needs to be an overall rollback.
12.24.2017 | Unregistered CommenterP Thomas
Example of a malapropism: Using “retribution” when “restituition” is the presumed meaning, even while “retribution” works well in its own way. Merry Christmas!
12.24.2017 | Unregistered CommenterPasaplayer
It's only restituition if it's spent on an education.
12.24.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Especially when we're considering the coefficient of restitution pasaplayer!
12.24.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMatthewM
THE HISTORY OF GOLF IN AMERICA

Little Jeremy Robideaux, twelve years old, an enthusiastic junior golfer who lives in Biloxi, Mississippi, was given an assignment by his history teacher, Mrs. Nix, to write about the history of something he loved. Well, Jeremy loved golf. His mother played a lot of golf and tennis and his uncles played golf and even one of his sisters. Jeremy’s dad used to play golf but he quit.

For reference material, Jeremy had only the “G” volume of his very own set of World Books that he loved even more than scanning around for various things on the internet. Through his research, Jeremy discovered there was a “colonial” period of golf in America but the encyclopedia didn’t say a whole lot else about it. This really intrigued Jeremy, and wanting his report to be thorough, of course, Jeremy dialed up the head pro of the club where he played and where his parents were members, Pelican Landing Country Club. Jeremy’s mother knew the pro’s cell phone number by heart and she gave it to Jeremy in sort of a sultry, sing-songy voice.

The head pro’s name was Vern Johnson and he was twenty-nine years old and a really nice guy who had won an event a few years ago in Pensacola. Amazingly, for a club professional, Vern was also fairly well known as having a good historical knowledge of the game. Jeremy’s parents had urged him to see if Mr. Johnson knew anything about this colonial period as this would be a good opportunity to impress Mrs. Nix, by interviewing an “authority figure.” Jeremy’s parents were hugely involved in their son’s academic and golf growth, although they would have been nonetheless pleased if he excelled at badminton.

The phone rang a bunch of times before Vern finally picked up. He sounded a little out of breath, so Jeremy asked him right away about the colonial thing. Vern said, “Oh, yeah. There was some course near Charleston, South Carolina. Okay?”

Jeremy had his fresh legal pad all ready and his pencil was sharp. “When, exactly?”

“Late seventeen hundreds. Oh, Jesus.”

“Good … gooood,” Jeremy said as he scribbled like the dickens. “Thank you Mr. Johnson.”

Jeremy continued, “Mr. Johnson, can you tell me anything more? I really do appreciate your time, sir.”

“Uh, well, actually, in seventeen ninety six there were a couple of clubs down there and one near Savannah and then they just disappeared.” The woman squeezed it tightly and put her nose in Vern’s left ear and let out just a little breeze. She dug her long red fingernails in the thing ever so slightly. Vern liked that very much. “Well that’s about all I know about the history of golf in America,” Vern said quickly. “Okay, Jeremy? Good God I’ll call you back la—”

“What? Fire? Hurricane?” Jeremy was ready to write again. He thought this was what a reporter must feel like.

“Nuh uh, just disbanded. Social climate. Bad gnats. Goddamn fucking shit like that. O-kay? Is that goddamn—enough?”

The woman mouthed, “I’m leaving.” She stopped her hand, but held her grip.

Jeremy ignored Mr. Johnson’s profanity as he was used to him cursing like that during junior clinics. “That’s exactly what I need, Mr. Johnson,” Jeremy said brightly. “Tell me some more. Really, I appreciate it.”

But there was a long pause while Vern forced her hand back in action. She wouldn’t do it at first. Vern helped her. Then Vern breathed heavily, “No, Jere-mee. I got a wo-man over here. We’re doing something … very important.”

Jeremy pressed the phone to his ear to see if he could determine what Mr. Johnson and the woman were doing that was so important.

All of a sudden the woman started going at it as if her hand were covered with killer bees.

“OH … SWEET JEEEE-SUS!”

“Mr. Johnson!” Jeremy shouted. “Are you okay?”

“I’m sitting here,” Vern said slowly, “getting … oh, Jesus … my chicken spanked.”

Jeremy literally looked at the phone in his hand. Chicken spanked? What? Mr. Johnson’s got a pet chicken? Jeremy was extremely confused.

Jeremy’s mother was in the kitchen cooking dinner and thinking heavily about Vern, too. And right before she chopped the head off of a fish she called out, “How’s it going in there, little golf scholar?”

The moment Jeremy put the phone back to his ear he heard Vern drop the phone to the floor, but Vern didn’t end the call. And just an instant later, and for a good five minutes or so, Jeremy had the distinct pleasure of listening to the sounds of Vern’s chicken get spanked and was also privileged enough to hear the type of conversation extremely particular to when a woman spanks a guy like Vern’s chicken. And as intellectual and generally informed of modern times as Jeremy was, even at twelve years old, he truly felt at that moment in his existence on the earth that there was so very much left to do and so very much left to learn.
Maybe he meant tribute
12.25.2017 | Unregistered CommenterLudell
@ The Ghost of Wodehouse,

You have the honour, sir (or ma'am?), of having presented the most insouciant post I've ever read on these here pages. Though, as Tom Morris would rightly point out, 1796 does not qualify as the Colonial period. One must get one's facts straight.
12.25.2017 | Unregistered Commentermeefer
Brandel is no more biased towards his opinion than Geoff - as an architect - is towards his. This isn't going to change. So I don't think Brandel is in it for himself anymore than Geoff is in pushing his side of the agenda.

Which is honestly why the whole thing is just tiresome. It seems like every day there's a new article about this.
12.26.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMC

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