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Monday
Feb052018

USGA Head: "It does make you wonder what golf courses will look like if we stay on this trajectory."

While new USGA President Mark Newell touched on concerns about distance at the association's annual meeting, Executive Director Mike Davis did the heavier lifting. Continuing his full-frontal attack on expanding golf's footprint, Davis largely backed up comments he made in 2017.

Golf.com's Dylan Dethier reports from Miami on the key comments in Davis' address.

"We all love hitting the ball far, but distance is all relative," he said. "I remember watching Jack Nicklaus, when he really got a hold of one maybe it went 280. That was the long ball then, and the long ball now is a lot longer."

Any potential rules change limiting technology would be sure to cause a stir among equipment manufacturers, who Davis said will be consulted throughout the process. But he was clear that he sees the issue of distance as a threat to the game at every level.

"This isn't just about the male elite game," he said. "It just isn't."

It looks like the U.S. Open's return to Shinnecock, recently narrowed after low scoring at Erin Hills, will be a point of comparison for the USGA in trying to convince those on the fence:

"An astonishing, perhaps even sobering example close to home will be this summer's U.S. Open at Shinnecock Hills that will be played at over 7,400 yards," Davis said. "One hundred and twenty-two years ago at the 1896 U.S. Open, care to guess Shinnecock's total yardage? 4,423 yards. Now, don't read too much into that – I don't want to see a headline next week saying the USGA is proposing going back to hickories and gutta-percha balls in the future, but it does make you wonder what golf courses will look like if we stay on this trajectory."

Davis talked to Golf Live's Ryan Asselta regarding driving distance and while Davis slightly walked back some comments made to the Wall Street Journal, the overall take from these on-the-record comments is this: something is brewing.

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At long last!
02.6.2018 | Unregistered CommenterJimothy
Amazing how the hangover from Ping v. USGA lasted 28-years.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered CommenterD. maculata
100% Total Institutional BS.

What Davis is saying today was evident years back. His organization ( a tribe of institutional inbreeding and gutless thinking) failed the game then and will likely fail it now. This is pure hot air for the benefit of headlines and attention.

They are mostly interested in keeping their coffers and gin glasses full, putting their public face (Davis) out to verbally appease, and their legacies of indifference and incremental change intact....little more. Any deviation from the script will be met with torturous rejection from the next exclusive club application. Little to see here...move along.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered Commenterlong Ball
Wow, next thing you know the USGA will announce the world is not flat.

I wish "long ball's"' clairvoyance wasn't so depressingly brilliant.

Hey, "long ball" could you locate the barn door key for the USGA? They just noticed the horse is long gone.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered Commenterputmedownforasix
"...but it does make you wonder what golf courses will look like if we stay on this trajectory."

Not really: Housing developments and "upscale" strip malls with tasteful landscaping.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
I can't understand all of this rollback whining.

Leave courses alone. Let scores go lower for the pros. It's just a number. The 90% of golfers who are average or below players will benefit from better equipment.

The only courses that get changed are those where members vanity demands that par is protected. Let them pay for it.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered CommenterBud
So we have changes at the top of all the 5 families in the last 2 years and more rhetoric. Meanwhile tour pros are hitting 3 wood into 17 at WM because driver is too much club- one of them "fitness Phil" who on his 48th lap around the sun has added 4 mph to his driver swing. Reavie twice hit 3wd wedge on a 453 yd 18th hole. Since par is just a number I say par was 67 last week- maybe these guys aren't that good after all. Golf has come a long way since Jack complained about hitting driver on a par 3 at Carnoustie. Good news for folks like Bud not so much for those without 115 mph swing speed. 2 completely different games.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered Commentermunihack
Mike Davis is right. Hopefully the powers-that-be are finally seeing the "forest" instead of just the "trees". But I'm not holding their breath.
Meant to say I'm not holding "my" breath.
I manage a par 3 course, so I pay close attention to the distance discussion. My venue caters specifically to golfers who would either prefer a course with less distance (because of time or strength constraints) or solid golfers (who look for an opportunity to perfect their short game on a well-kept course).

We'll see what moves the USGA takes, if any. I do think it's fair to ask the question "Is more better?"
02.6.2018 | Unregistered CommenterJosh
I'm confused by the posters. Would you rather Davis not say anything? I know he's f'd up with course setup in the past, but silence is worse. Almost everyone gets religion at some point.

And I think it's time to at least partially correct a misconception that's been floating around for a while. I don't believe there is more of a distance gap between tour pros and very good amateurs than in the past. I'm a single digit player (was as low a 1.5, now about a 7). I'm now in my mid 50s and in pretty good shape. I can still hit it 300+ with my new driver (1x or 2x a round) and my $4 ball. So every now and then I still want to play the back tees and see if I can *almost* do what the best in the world do. That has always been part of the appeal of the game for me. I don't kid myself - I can't hit it as far as Rahm or DJ, but guess what - neither can most of the guys on tour. Back in the 60s, very few pros could it as far as Jack. I can still get it out there with my contemporaries on the senior tour. My son is an accomplished competitive player. He and his 20 something buddies regularly hit it 325+ off the tee and outclub me by 2 or 3. I'd posit that the canard that there are two "very different" games for long hitting, low handicap amateurs and the touring pros is no more true today than it was 40, 30 or 20 years ago. Of course it's different for the average 20 handicapper. It always has been.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered CommenterGinGHIN
Put me down for a Six,

That long-lost key would be found with by colonoscopy...Try Walt Driver or Fred Ridley.

Btw.....I'd be happy with Mike Davis talking if it wasn't 99% jawboning. Mike isn't going to risk his cushy spot to convince the inbreds to actually spend the money and tell the OEMs to tone it back. Nor is he going to jeopardize his platter of memberships (PVGC, Seminole, Baltusrol?, Trump Bedminster) by doing much more than flapping the jaw.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered Commenterlong Ball
Mike Davis, begone.
02.6.2018 | Unregistered CommenterFC
Davis says that it "isn't about just the elite male game," but offers nothing to support this part of the rant.

It isn't?

Go to an LPGA event and see how far 80% of the field hits a driver. 230-240? And these are the finest female players on the planet.

It IS _just_ about the elite male game.
I have an idea, and it came to me after playing pickleball for the first time. In case you don't know, pickleball is tennis for seniors, and it is becoming very popular. Think paddles and whiffle ball on a smaller tennis court.

So the idea is pickelball golf - a much reduced distance ball (think gutty) played from tees that would measure 4500 to 5000. It would be played (by everyone) on a course a couple of afternoons a week. It would be favored by golfers who enjoy playing 18 in 3 hours. It would require small tees to be built to accommodate the "gutty" ball.

One would simply walk (drive) up to the designated Pickleball golf tee, and play away. I think that this would be great recreationally for a cross section of golfers - playing with a spouse, playing with only a few hours to spare, playing just for the fun of it.
02.7.2018 | Unregistered CommenterHardy Greaves
Hardy, I believe you're on to something. I to played Pickelball for the first time the other day and it was kind of fun. And I too kept thinking about how golf could do something like this. The wiffle ball spins a lot and doesn't seem to have the long term velocity of a tennis ball. The court is half to maybe 2/3 the size of a tennis court so especially in a doubles match, you don't have to move near as much as in tennis. Besides the golfball going too far, it doesn't spin right or left near enough anymore. Mike Nuzzo and Don Mahaffey are working on a project (9 Grand) in southeast Texas that a limited flight ball that would spin left and right could be one of its many uses. I'm very interested to see how their work comes out.
02.7.2018 | Unregistered CommenterTexaswedge
"Pickelball for seniors" sounds great for the Villages where half of you old grouches probably live
02.7.2018 | Unregistered CommenterMungo Park
Mungo Park,

I like your name; I don't like your remark.

By the way, I also play hickory - like you. Without wearing plus fours - like you.
02.7.2018 | Unregistered CommenterHardy Greaves
Mungo, I'm not old enough for the Villages yet, but I'm getting there. My wife is not a very good golfer. She gets quite frustrated and it isn't pleasant for either one of us. Now Pickelball was relatively easy to pick up for both of us and we sure enjoyed each others company a lot more. I believe for golf to have something close to a game like Pickelball there will have to be different implements and balls...just haven't figured that part out yet.
02.7.2018 | Unregistered CommenterTexaswedge
muni, Phil added 4 MPH to his swing speed-How are you going to legislate that? And when Jack "got ahold of one" it went 341, like it did in the PGA Long Drive contest in 1963 or whatever. Guy Fieri - why do we care about a tiny fraction of golfers so much? And the women do not swing as fast as the men.
02.9.2018 | Unregistered CommenterHugo Boss

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