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Wednesday
Jul302008

"I don't know why we keep going back there."

From SI's anonymous PGA Tour pro on returning to Oakland Hills for next week's PGA:

I know this much about Oakland Hills. It's brutal, and it's pretty high up there in the course rankings [18th by Golf Magazine], but I don't know any players who say, "God, I love Oakland Hills." It's a ballbuster.
The greens are over the top. They're straight from Putt-Putt, minus the swinging logs and clowns' mouths. Plus, you're hitting three-irons into most of them. I have no idea why Oakland Hills is rated so high. What's the mystique? Because Ben Hogan won the U.S. Open there a million years ago and bragged that he finally tamed the Monster? That's prehistoric. The last Open there, in 1996, was uneventful. On the 72nd hole Davis Love III three-putted and Tom Lehman hooked his drive into a fairway bunker to allow Steve Jones, a qualifier who scrambled his tail off, to win. I don't know why we keep going back there.
Considering the state of the U.S. auto industry and the likelihood of tepid corporate sales, I'm guess the PGA is wondering the same thing.


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Reader Comments (21)

Ouch. Take that to all the magazines that rate courses. Its true with a lot of the classics, Augusta, Medinah, Atlantic AC, Olympic have all been modernized out of existance.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterRaider Fan
I like Oakland Hills South. It's not the same course it was in 1996. They've removed thousands of trees and really opened things up. I would like to see the restoration of Ross' flashed bunkers, though.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterGreg
He brings up the asterisk thing again. Really? REALLY? I'm sorry, I know Tiger is good, but, this guy is a tour pro and he is admitting that the TV guys have a legitimate point when they say these majors should come with an asterisk? You'd think golf was invented in 1997.Sheesh.

It's the TV ratings that get the asterisk, not the game. And I, for one, don't think golf="NBC's ratings". I'm real sorry the casual fans don't tune in for majors without Tiger, because he's the only player they know. Whose fault is that, exactly?
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterLinus
I live in the Detroit-area. I've heard that the rough is way up and members have been told not to spend more than two minutes looking for balls.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJordan
It has been a historically great grass-growing season in southeast Michigan. Lots of rain, lots of warm nights. They will have to be careful at OHCC because the rough will be gnarly. They may have to cut it lower than planned.

Somebody posted above; some very good things have been done at OHCC, including a lot of tree removal.

At the same time, I think some remarkably bad things have been done. 15 is probably the best example to me. They could not move the tee back any farther, since it is up against a boundary fence already, and so to combat current driver lengths, they added a second bunker in the fairway. It is hard to imagine how anyone is supposed to play the hole now, other than that it is just harder. It would be sort of like taking the old Mackenzie center-fairway bunker on Number 10 at Augusta, and adding two more of them, closer to the tee, in the landing area, just to say, "Hah! Now try to make par!"

The fairways at OHCC have been severely tightened. It looks like a US Open course, with the old flanking fairway bunkers now lost out somwehere in the rough (except for those that were surgically pulled in, probably in response to observations like the ones that Geoff has been making for years).

The grass has done so well at Oakland this summer, that I am convinced that they are in "Oakmont country;" they will have to deliberately make a decision to not make them as fast as they could easily be, even for a club Invitational, because they would be unplayable.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterChuck
The first couple of times this series ran, it was semi-believable. The current entry confirms that this anonymous pro is as real as the Tooth Fairy.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterNRH
I don't know who the anonymous tour pro is...does anyone? Maybe he's a jerk, or a nobody, or maybe he's a respected member of the tour. His comments can be interpreted differently, perhaps, depending on who he is. However, I find them very interesting. A modern tour pro who is, at least in this isolated instance, scoffing at one of the "great classic courses" that people seem so worried about.

Maybe this is the only classic course about which he'd make statements like this...maybe he IS a traditionalist, maybe most tour pros are. But at least from this statement, you'd wonder how many tour pros would be marching on the lawn at Far Hills, asking for an equipment rollback, to preserve the "classic courses."
07.30.2008 | Unregistered Commenter86general
Whomever he is, he obviously has an agenda to spice up his commentary to create controversy. Same problem occurs when SI's Golf section has a swing teacher who tries to take a potshot at someone or something just for sake of getting attention.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered Commenterjason
you all are assuming that there is 1 and only 1 anonymous pro. i believe there are several of them who make themselves available. some are smarter than others. kinda like this blog, you must take everything with a grain of salt with folks who post anonymously.....including me!
07.30.2008 | Unregistered Commenterquestion?
86, I think that the anonymous pro would be right to say the same thing about nearly every US Open and PGA Championship. Oakland Hills is, for all practical purposes, a modern US Open golf course. Narrow fairways, punishing rough, lightning greens. Lengthen tees wherever possible, and not neccessarily where it is appropriate. All the things you do to a golf course to make it harder in the face of rapidly-advancing technology. The net effect of which is less fun. Players forced to find narrow alleyways, or else hack out and start over.

The wild undulations on the greens are the one feature that remains true to the original Ross design. They are the part of the golf course that is the most fun. Of course, they weren't meant for 13-foot Stimpmeter rolls.

I think all the pros would find Oakland Hills would be more fun with golf balls that didn't go so far, with much wider fairways and much more reasonable rough.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterChuck
OH South is a fine set of greens, nastily narrowed and thoughtlessly bunkered, but 100% restorable. Believing any tour pro when it comes to architecture, real or imagined is your first mistake. It even with all of Rees mindless tinkering is probably still a top 20 US course. If those greens are "over teh top", give me over the top 24/7.

Would it be better with its original bunkering scheme and width? Absolutely.

And any asterisk talk is little pussy girlie men pros masquerading as men. I guess we'll see another Euro take the PGA.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterBillV
"It even with all of Rees mindless tinkering is probably still a top 20 US course."

Rees' father did most of the tinkering when Rees was still a little boy.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterGreg
Long odds on a Euro winning - 77 years since one won the PGA (Armour) and a Euro has not won a major other than the British since Olazabal won the Masters in 1999.

Maybe they are due, but who? Harrington wins 2 straight majors? I doubt it.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJohnN
Yes, Chuck you may be right. But maybe modern tour pros just don't like that particular type of classic course. Maybe it has nothing to do with modern equipment.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered Commenter86general
This "Tour pro" sounds suspiciously like the collective opinion of many of the golf writers post Tiger. If you worked your tail off to try to capture a major would you, as a "Tour pro", readily admit that you should be tagged with an asterisk for winning ?? Maybe from some low ranked ticket puncher but not anybody worth his salt. TV ratings ?? Come on. This feature used to be about the course and the possible winners. It now seems to have morphed into a bitch session for writers to anonymously take shots at people.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterMike
Oakland Hills has got a great golf course, but there will be corporate tents all over it during the PGA.
07.30.2008 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye
I think it is a cheap shot to allegedly allow a tour pro to spew this type of crap for publication and remain anonymous. I agree he is probably as real as The Tooth Fairy. Sensational, but who really cares what he thinks? If he doesn't like the course, then he shouldn't do us any favors -- he could stay home and give his spot to one of the many eager alternates dying to get in. Major courses are supposed to be tough. If this is a real person, he shows how spoiled and lazy he is -- which means he could be any one of a hundred players.

4p
07.31.2008 | Unregistered CommenterFour-putt
Greg

We can agree to disagree, but the bunkering pattern now is strongly Rees, not RTJ, Sr. sadly, I've played enough Rees-torations to know. :-((((

RTJ had always pinched whilst Rees tends to flank which is what is there now - bunkers left and right 220 -330 off the tee on virtually all the play holes (not #12 because there's a bit of a forest right and Rees thought bunkers would be redundant methinks). All that notwithstanding, the greens were so good neither had a clue what to do with them (thankfully) and OHS is fully restorable.

A good example is what RTJ Sr. did to Aronimink in suburban Philly, every fairway was pinched in with bunkers left and right about 280 out. They were removed and a sympathetic bunkering pattern accommodating modern lengths was put in by Pritchard. It now, considering hosting El Tigre's tournament is contemplating only two longer tees - and that's it, because the greens are good and they were not changed (as with OHS). OHS has better greens all-round, but the Sr PGA was played at only 6400-6500 due to rains and no one tore it up at all (The proffered length was 6900 but they never sniffed it. Currently A-mink is 7250 par 70 from the backs and another 150 may be added.

One needs not mindlessly bunker. Rees just exchanged his model for his Dadd-io's....

Cheers
07.31.2008 | Unregistered CommenterBillV
Above referred-to Sr PGA was at Aronimink if there is any confusion. Sorry.
07.31.2008 | Unregistered CommenterBillV
"This "Tour pro" sounds suspiciously like the collective opinion of many of the golf writers post Tiger. ..It now seems to have morphed into a bitch session for writers to anonymously take shots at people."

I couldn't agree more. The syntax is riddled with 'journalese'. It just doesn't read legit.
07.31.2008 | Unregistered Commenterdbh
The words have too many syllables and the grammar is too good for a tour pro add that no tour pro worth his salt would dis' Hogan like that. It's literally sacrilege
(Proves I'm not a tour pro) since Hogan is a God.
07.31.2008 | Unregistered CommenterCurmudgeon

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