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Oct072017

Southgate Speaks: "I take full responsibility"

James Corrigan of The Telegraph talks to Matthew Southgate about the heartbreaking penalty incurred during the Web.com Tour Playoffs that cost him a PGA Tour card.

From Corrigan's story:

“It was poor from me to not know the rules of a game I’ve played since I was two. I take full responsibility. ­People say it’s bad luck but it’s not bad luck because I should have replayed the shot and could have made four. But I didn’t and it became nine, and that ­became me missing my card. I’ve only got myself to blame. I’m not annoyed with anyone else.”

The best wishes of his peers have not assisted much either; and neither has their collective ignorance. I asked 10 different pros at the Dunhill Links if they were aware of that particular rule and all admitted they were not.

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0 of 10 pros knew the rule? Someone needs to build a flash-card app to help them and their caddies learn the rules. Better yet, simplify the rules.
10.7.2017 | Unregistered Commenter3foot1
Why didn't Phil get penalized at the Masters in 2010 for the same thing? A twig or something fell directly in his line, and his ball struck it. It was on the second hole (a quick YouTube search will bring it up). Maybe I'm missing something?
10.7.2017 | Unregistered CommenterRay
3foot1 they're trying to simplify them but rather timidly.
This one should be changed to give the player the option to replay the shot or accept the consequences.
We already play the "flagstick may be left in the hole on the green" rule because it's much quicker for 2 players, who are bad enough to miss the hole from 3 metres -10 feet. The next one's a gimme anyway. Our cards don't matter becasue we never play competitions or bet - ever.
I'm sorry this happened to Matthew who is one of the very best of people and one who has recovered from a life threatening disease to continue to become a first class golfer. I'm sure he'll make it on the PGA Tour at some point in his career and wish him the best of luck.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterStephen W
Colin-what you suggest may happen. Giving the option is on the cards. the law of unintended consequence decrees that any pro missing a put will probably be looking for a moving leaf!
10.8.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
@ray. I don't know this is the reason, but in Phils case, the leaf, had landed before he stroked the putt - he just wasn't looking down the line.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBrianS
Kudos to Southgate understanding his role in the penalty.

It's a shame, however, that an article about rules ignorance doesn't make any effort at alleviating
some of that ignorance by providing the text of Rule 19-1 (or at least a reference to it).
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Ray,

Good memory. It was a stamen or something like that.

I would have thought that it was "rub of the green" if a blowing leaf alters the path of your ball.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterHardy Greaves
Clarify please, only a moving leaf requires a replay? Stationary leaves are OK?

I play at a course that has a couple of holes with leaf issues, no one would finish the hole if we have to replay every putt that hits a stationary leaf.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterConvert
Just another example of how overly complex the rules of golf have become. Time to greatly simplify.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBud
Victimology rears its ugly head again. And we wonder why society today becomes all teary-eyed and upset over the slightest thing. When this is your chosen profession, learn the damn job or pay the consequences.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterD. maculata
Bud-this rule has been in play for some time. Carl may know exact dates, This is not a case of a rule being changed or being more complicated. But it is one that not too many people know.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
Carl / Chico,

Serious question. What is the intent of the rule? I don’t understand it. This rule seems to prevent a rub of the green from occurring. Why does this rule exist?
Thanks in advance for your help in putting this into context.
George
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge Blunt
I just looked -- 1968 i.e., the replay requirement in this situation existed for 20 years BEFORE Matthew Southgate was born. Southgate isn't a victim of 'how complex the rules have become.'
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
When one needs a thick book (Decisions on the Rules of Golf) to decipher the rules, I submit that the rules are way too complex.

Believe otherwise if you want....

There is little reason to ever touch the ball or replay a shot. Whining about "fairness" misses the point of the game. Hit the ball, find it, and hit it again until it's in the hole. If you insist on "fairness" play TopGolf....
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBud
George- 19-1b says- if a players ball in motion after a stroke on the putting green is deflected or stopped by any moving or animate outside agency the stroke is cancelled. (bit of a precis on my behalf) The ball must be replaced and replayed. Must means there is no option to do otherwise. That outside agency could, for example, be a bird or a dog etc picking the ball up. Not sure itt would suit many people if they had to play it from wherever it finished- no matter what Bud says!
10.8.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
Why wouldn't he ask for a ruling?
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterZokol
Ray, Phil didn’t get penalized because the leaf wasn’t moving when his ball hit it. it’s a stupid distinction.

Bud, you don’t need any decisions book for this. Straight out of the Rules.

FYI, R&A and USGA have changed this so it will only happen for people or animals in 2019, not leaves. Makes sense if a dog ran on the green and picked up the ball or an unaware caddie stepped in front of putt. Not for an inanimate leaf.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterIMHO
Bud, I don't know who was whining about "fairness" but you sure told him!

Kudos to Southgate for recognizing that playing the game doesn't lead to rules knowledge and that those who the play game for a living really should know the rules of that game.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Oh well, Southgate's punishment happened closer to real time. Thompson's was three days after the fact.

"The rules of golf can be a web of deceit." - FC
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterFC
Thanks Chico. So if I putt my ball from the fringe of the green, dog grabs it and runs away with it, my ball is in play? But on the green I replay. Seems like a weird distinction for the same action.
George
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge Blunt
Despite the implication of my first post, this rule makes sense. Suppose there are two sticks lying on the green forming a neat V leading to the hole. All you'd have to do is putt towards the hole, and the sticks would funnel the ball in. Hence, Phil was penalized because he should have moved the leaf.

If, however, an object moves into your line after you've struck the putt, you couldn't have anticipated the action. Whether the result is good or bad, you are required to replay the stroke, without penalty.

Honestly, it seems like a fairly easy and reasonable distinction that tournament players should understand in their teens. I suspect there are plenty of other rules that are better candidates for simplification or elimination.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered Commenter3foot1
LOL. If you think that golf rules are understandable, just read these comments! (or just buy the 750 page book and refer to rule 19-1B decision 17a for clarity.)

And we wonder why golf is losing participants.....
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBud
>>
Suppose there are two sticks lying on the green forming a neat V leading to the hole. All you'd have to do is putt towards the hole, and the sticks would funnel the ball in.
>>

And you'd be a fool if you removed the sticks before you putted (this hypothetical player is under no obligation to remove those sticks).

Additionally... http://bit.ly/2kxMZ4g
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Golf is played on a course, no two of which are alike, instead of a field, pitch, or court, all of which are alike except distance to the wall/fence in baseball. Thus, the apparent complications in the Rules of Golf. Simple, really.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
The game is simple. Golf Law, less so.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterFC
Thanks, Carl. I did not know that.

Can one of my fans place loose impediments on the green for me? I'd prefer they do it in V-shaped fashion on either side of the hole.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered Commenter3foot1
Now I know what to do if/when I take down a duck in midflight.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJohnnnycz
Those are low-flying ducks or high-flying balls played from the putting green, Johnnnycz.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCarl Peterson
Carl or Chico,

Why would this rule be limited only to ball on the green? Thanks.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJS
When he gets his card I'll be pulling for him.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJupiter
I bet if the leaf knocked it the hole he would ask questions

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