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Sunday
Oct082017

Hmmm, Files: Old Course, Carnoustie Course Records Fall During Alfred Dunhill Championship

There will be the usual hysteria after a record falls that something must be done and while I always find that shortsighted and slightly disrespectful to the players involved--but let the hysteria begin!

Ross Fisher had an amazing shot at 59 during the Alfred Dunhill final round over the Old Course, in spite of a glacial round pace caused in part by the pro-am format. But a last hole three-putt from the Valley of Sin left him with 61 and a new record. Victor Dubuisson was on a 59 watch a few groups ahead of Fisher, but settled for 63.

Fisher was gutted to have finished the way he did, but well aware of his accomplishment.

“But to go out and shoot a score like that, with no bogeys, I just saw the lines and was hitting good putts and they were going in and I didn’t want it to end.

“At the home of golf, I wanted to try and give that putt on the last a try for 59 and it just came up a bit shy and then unfortunately I didn’t hit a great (birdie) putt, so unfortunately had to settle for a 61 – but I would definitely have taken it.”

The Fisher scorecard:

A new course record on the oldest course in the world ✍🏻 Congratulations Ross Fisher! #DunhillLinks

A post shared by European Tour (@europeantour) on Oct 8, 2017 at 10:40am PDT

Why should we be hysterical when the distance situation at classic courses has been an issue for nearly two decades ago, with huge leaps since the governing bodies drew a line in the sand (2003)?

Because course records get attention, especially when it's the Home of Golf and especially on a course not using some of the absurd Open Championship tees employed by the R&A to mask distance leaps.

While most of us know modern course conditioning combines with today's instruction technology and brain power, should lead to records falling. And that's just fine. But couple that with players rarely hitting a long iron due to courses being overwhelmed, and these accomplishments should be warning signs that the importance of certain skills has been diminished to the point that such a record may need an asterisk.

Gary Player took to Twitter to remind us that the Old Course is pretty defenseless these days.

This comes on the heels of Tommy Fleetwood shooting 63 at Carnoustie to establish a new course record there.

Fleetwood was honored by the accomplishment, reports The Telegraph's James Corrigan.

“Carnoustie course record holder – it sounds good doesn’t it? It was a good day’s work by any standards,” Fleetwood said. “When you consider all the great players who have played here, in Opens and in this tournament, it is very special to have the lowest score ever recorded on this course. Yeah, I hit it in some places where you probably won’t be able to get able to hitting it when the Open comes back here next year, but I’m still very proud.”

The highlights from that epic round:

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Reader Comments (22)

Just wait until someone shoots 62 at Shinnecock.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCheeks
Just to be concise, Ross Fisher missed a 2' putt for 60. He almost drove the green; it ended up in the Valley of Sin.

Hey these guys are good.

But we know that the ball goes too far, and the driver faces are too hot.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterHardy Greaves
Gary Player playing the role of Johnny Miller... I like it!
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJohn C
Both Curtis Strange and Brian Davis had shot 62 on the Old Course, so it wasn't as if the 61 was completely unprecedented. I wonder if anybody complained that Strange was too overpowering when he did it in 1987?
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJason Lusk
When will the Golfers out there start to stand up against the R&A and force them to be accountable - Coming from St Andrews I am shocked to see that TOC is being humiliated because a bunch of out of date idiots are running The Royal & Ancient Game of Golf into the ground because of their inability to understand the game of golf. When will they act to protect the game of golf by addressing the issues that are killing our great courses, not to mention the game itself.

The R&A are by their inactions unworthy of being involved in Governing the game in their current form - we need to see them accountable for their decisions and elected.

I do not know about you guys but I have no faith or even trust in the R&A, they are destroying The Royal & Ancient Game of Golf, Golf Course Architecture and many a great course because they refuse to face the issued and there are now quite a few. These courses were not designed to combat the current equipment.
To allow TOC to be subjected to this because they have no backbone, is just not acceptable.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTom Morris
Until I'm shooting 61 on the Old Course, the game is still plenty difficult.

Agree that the ball goes too far and the drivers are too hot, but what these guys shoot makes me no more or less likely to put the Old Course on the agenda the next time I'm in Fife. Rather they shoot 61 than we start adding strips of rough where they don't belong.
Zzzzzz...low score still wins, right? Who cares what number that low score happens to be?
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKS
Commentator Ken Brown said the amateurs were playing a 6100 yard course.
The Masters Committee need to take a lead with this. Just wind the ball back so the longest drive is where it was in, say Greg Norman's average day.
Visitors to St Andrews don't forget you can walk the Old Course on Sundays (usually) with only very few other walkers and their dogs for company.
Could one of the informed pro golfers who post here tell me why a pro would play 3 days golf at the Dunhill and miss the cut and receive nothing?
Jason Lusk,
You do know that course Curtis did it on was a few hundred yards ago? They've lengthened the Old Course and sometimes play tees on other courses.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterDavidC
R&A stuffed shirts would have rolled back the ball tomorrow if he'd posted 59.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterOB
Hi DavidC, yep, I know it's been lengthened a fair amount. That length is more than offset by a day when the winds didn't blow. I'm not surprised by the 61, I'm more surprised guys didn't go lower.
10.8.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJason Lusk
Forget TOC, 63 around Carnoustie on a less than warm day, albeit setup to be as amateur friendly as it can be...
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCenter Cut
Geoff-I wasnt there this year but they did look to be using 3 of the "off course" tees. The set up for the Dunhill is VERY easy- no rough-easy pins- but this was always going to happen on a calm day. I t will happen in the Open one day-the last couple have been reasonably tough weather-wise- and I think that will be the catalyst for equipment change. In a perverse way I actually do hope it happens next time. I should have been beside myself with excitement at the scoring this week-I'm a golf nut-but to be honest it didnt seem that thrilling to me.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
The yardstick that would prove the debate one way or another is to have a group of the Pros play The Old Course at St Andrews using Hickory with the Gutty balls. The game should be recorded and evaluated determining distance and effectiveness of the hazards and a panel to assess the enjoyment from both a selected group of spectators and the golfers.

The biggest issue I have these days with technology is it being allowed to run free with no controls, they are solely designed to reduce one’s score. Manufactures are only interested in reducing distance, as they believe that is what sells their equipment and have no interest in the game of golf. That is why I would like to see a comparison of old and new technology in the hands of modern Pro's .

I would also like to ask the Pros a question, which set of equipment gave them the most enjoyment while on the course!
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTom Morris
Regardless of what equipment is used, the best players will still be the best players. If there was a 'rollback' of some sort, if it is done for Pros, the results will remain the same. DJ, RM, JT will still hit the ball farther than everyone, and JS will still sink more putts. I am beyond thinking that the game I play is the same as the one PGA pros play, it is akin to comparing F1 race cars to what we drive on the street.

Bifurcate the equipment. The Pro game will still be an awesome show. It will bring the classic courses back to relevance without the need to bastardize them.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBDF
@ BDF- agree 100%
10.9.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
Open Championship tees employed by the R&A.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered Commenterdavvy
Chico said it. Instead of amazement at these new records a lot of folks don't pay much attention. When Tiger missed every bunker in 2000 he hit a smoking 3 wood on the 14 th to reach in 2. Now the hole is 618 yards and Rory hit it over the green with a 6 iron. After awhile the challenge isn't the same.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterMunihack
"Bifurcate the equipment" = or being totally honest "Apartheid" by any other name - There is enough discrimination in the game already - this path will destroy the fabric of the game for good - giving the equipment manufacturers a free hand to do what they want - some of you need to think this through
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTom Morris
Save our courses, roll back the ball.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterEasingwold
Nae wind, nae golf, fellow single-malters.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterFC

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