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Saturday
Jun142008

Final Round Fodder

2008OpenLogo.gifYes, I saw it all from 13 on (this starts the make up process for leaving the 1986 Masters early, doesn't it?). It's a day I'll never forget, how's that for an original thought?

I know, so much to say, but hey, it's almost 9 o'clock and I've been here since 7 a.m. and I'll be back here at 6:30, so off to dinner. You can get a sneak preview of Sunday's setup here at GolfDigest.com, with photos of what No. 14 will look like. Yep, Mike confirmed that it's going up.

Post away, should be a dandy Sunday! 

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So Torrey Pines South is suddenly the greatest course on the planet?
06.14.2008 | Unregistered CommenterGreg
What tee are they using on 13 tomorrow?
06.14.2008 | Unregistered CommenterMatt
Average course, but exciting tournament.
06.14.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJohn
I don't like to judge a course from TV, but the setup seems great.
06.14.2008 | Unregistered CommenterTighthead
So if setup alone can make a tournament exciting, is design (as long as it's not totally atrocious) not that important?
06.14.2008 | Unregistered CommenterGreg
The US Open is the new Masters. By the way, all the writers who write that no one has won the US Open limping must not have paid attention during the class when Hogan at Merion was discussed.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterHawkeye
Good point. Greg.

Around here, it seems that the game of golf exists purely so that architects can design courses....that golf course design is much more important than golf itself. The corollary is that anything that makes life harder for designers is bad for the game. The ball, developers, and any money that does NOT go straight to the designers.

So Torrey is an undistinguished public course which was apparently designed by the ner-do-well son or nephew of a real designer, and it was upgraded by the truly evil Rees Jones - for all the wrong reasons.

And now it seems that Rees was correct. Hmmmn.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJackM
If the masses are realizing the importance of subtle changes in set-up, is there hope that the same will happen concerning golf course architecture?


06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterAdam Clayman
I wasn't actually making a point. I was just asking a question.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterGreg
Maybe I've been watching a different tournament, but where has all the excitement been outside of Tiger?
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterGreg
The announcers are going to fall over themselves talking about Tiger's knee. It simply appears to inflame from so much walking. He warms up the same way, shot after shot, so I think it must be the walking. Shouldn't he have walked more prior to the tournament. Johnny Miller admitted that he hasn't lost any distance.
I am not a big fan of Rees, but I have to admit, the 18th plays well as a finishing hole and the par 5 where Ernie and Phil crashed and burned made for interesting shots. Whether Rees created those holes in that fashion I don't know, they may have existed previously.
I agree with Adam, now that set-up is being talked up, maybe architecture can be next?
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterLynn S.
Is the golf course for a championship a test or a stage? Is its purpose to put the players through a rigorous ordeal, or to enable them to create drama?

It's not an either/or; it's a balance, and hats off to Mike Davis and the USGA for getting the balance right this time.

I've played Bethpage Black my whole life, and I was disappointed in the '02 Open, because I felt the setup overwhelmed the integrity of the course. There isn't a course in the world that can't be turned into a stern Open test by stretching the tees, narrowing the fairways, and speeding the greens. It became Generic Tough Open Layout. Tiger won, but it wasn't memorable.

Yesterday was memorable.

When we talk about last year's Open, we mostly talk about Oakmont. This year, we'll talk about Tiger -- to our grandchildren, no doubt. It doesn't take a great course to be a great stage, so this week doesn't mean Torrey Pines has become Pine Valley. But, no doubt, kudos to the USGA, and I hope Billy Payne et al. are paying attention.

06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterjneu
George Archer had severe stomach pain when he won the Masters in 1969.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterwalker
The reason Davis is geting it "right" is that he is a good player, smart analyst and brings a ton of empathy to his method of sttting up a course.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterwalker
One should not confuse difficult for good, or impossible for great. Design is being trumped by set-up this week. Can you just add a tee (#16) that is almost 45 degrees off-set from the original and have the green be receptive to both angles? Can you add a new tee (#13) that adds 70 yards and a different angle to the tee shot and have it be a good hole? Artificially fluffing the bunker sand is an attempt to take away an option for a player.Sometimes putting the ball into a bunker is a valid way to escape from trouble , if you are a good bunker player. Can just shortening a hole ( #2,10,14)to make it driveable mean that it is a good risk/reward short 4? If so, why design a driveable par 4 in the first place? And finally can green contours designed ( poorly in this case) for one speed be correct when speeded up by 3 or 4 feet? It seems to me that this week the USGA is saying something is lacking and we are going to make it better.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenternewbie
So now Venturi chugged his way through the heat in 1964?
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commentercrosbys pipe
Some writers are penning that Mickelson's Open chances are over at age 38? Have they been watching Mediate at 45?
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commentermanwich
Yeah, but I don't think Mediate has Pelz giving him advice.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterTuna
Bethpage seems like an awesome course that wasn't given it's due in '02. There was a lot of rain that week that made the rough unplayable and the course just too darn long. Drier conditions would have produced a more favorable opinion. It will be excellent next year w/ Davis and graduated rough, etc.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterLEFTY
Kudos to the golf course maintenance staff for the work that started with the redesign continued with the regrassing and now the conditioning of the course. It is not easy to keep the course "on the edge" for this period of time given the challenges from mother nature and the traffic of players, caddies, agents, media, etc. No wonder Davis calls the golf course superintendent the most important person in conducting a U.S. Open.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterJB
Pipe: everybody in the 1964 US Open field had to deal with the heat. There's only one guy in the 2008 Open with a remarkably painful knee.
My favorite moment of the NBC telecast: Jimmy what's-his-name's stumbling interview of Lee Westwood, where he tried desperately to ask him, "what will it be like to sleep on the lead at the US Open", then realized that Tiger might birdie 18, and spit out, "or tied for the lead..."

Cut to Tiger seizing the lead with an eagle...
anyone else catch albom and lupica basically call Phil a hack on Sports Reporters this weekend? Guess that's what happens when you make a 9.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterjason
4:40 EDT: Seem to be some good scores out there. I'm not looking for a coronation walk. This could be exciting!
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterdbh
The pain in my head everytime I hear "Tigers knee"is worse than the acutal pain in Tigers knee ouch it even hurt to type it.16 holes to go with no sound.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterkeith86
Very surprised by Tiger's start and driver off #2.

Wonder if he and Stevie had a little spat?
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterTuna
Keith, be glad it wasn't Phil's knee, or we'd be hearing from him about how proud he is of himself for playing through it.

06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterjneu
A more thoughtful course setup (like the landing area short-right of 4th green, 29yd wide fairwaays) has made a mediocre design much more fair (and thus exciting) in comparison / contrast to how Davis' predecessors turned fabulous courses into a strategic wastelands.


No credit to rees on the 18th as it was expected to be a typical USGA converted par 4
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterdoug
I don't have a problem with shots shown on tape instead of live -- so much is happening at once, and they really SHOULD be focussing on Tiger, even when he's just walking -- but 'fess up, and don't cheat on the commentary. Karlsson hits his approach shot on 7, and Maltbie says, "Don't forget about the falloffs left and behind the green" as the swing is shown, and Karlsson's shot hits the green and bounces long and down. Dishonest.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterjneu
Tape delay seems epidemic this year.
It used to be you got it primarily coming out of commercial or when a non contender sank a long snaking putt. And they used to always add the caveat, 'This was a moment ago...'. Not so much any more.
There was a CBS (?) broadcast of a lesser event this year I swear was more tape delayed than live.
The announcers sound like geniuses of course. Commenting on events where they already know the outcome. Maybe in someone's eyes that's a more 'polished' broadcast!
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterdbh
"It's in the hole!" is obviously the new "You da' man!"

06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commentercrosby's pipe
If you take a little something to cover knee pain, is this not performance enhancing?
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterkeith86
What I'd give for a 3 or 4 hole playoff tonight...
06.15.2008 | Unregistered Commenterdbh
Tiger made it compelling television, that's all there is to the excitement we are feeling. Take him out and this would have been another boring march to par and we'd all be decrying the state of the game. Face it, his fellow competitors were essentially tortured out of contention by the brawny layout's tight fairways and unforgiving rough. The Nike ad about Tiger's mental toughness was the most spot on commentary all weekend. Fun tomorrow? Have them play from the blue tees. One guy can't hit it past 270 and the other ought not be trying to. Neither is the "best" golfer right now. Give the trophy to the guy who plays best from the regular men's tees.
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterF. X.
Am I the only one who is disgusted with the unfairness of this U.S. Open? Tiger drove the ball atrociously, yet was rewarded repeatedly with second-shot lies that were much better than he deserved because his tees shots were WAY RIGHT and came to rest in the flattened grass of the gallery, instead of the gnarly penal rough. Tiger's ball should have been in 5-7 inch rough, which would have prevented him from firing 200-plus-yard second shots that set up the birdies and eagles for which this Open will be remembered. I credit Tiger for making the most of his opportunities, but I am disappointed that the course was set up in such a way that he could accomplish many of his heroics. If Tiger goes on to win, does anyone believe that the USGA will have identified the best golfer this week? (And yes, I know that Tiger is the best golfer week in and week out, blah, blah, blah, but he doesn't deserve to win this week, IMHO, despite having played courageously and having putted amazingly.)
06.15.2008 | Unregistered CommenterTruthsayer
Some more thoughts -

Johnny Miller embarrassed all sports commentators when he decided to use the telustrator to show the viewers where Tiger's left knee was. Uh, which one is the left again, Johnny? Johnny, what's a knee? In primetime, no less. It'll be harder to continue to argue that he's the best there is (right now).

The crowd reaction in a US Open is rarely directly related to the quality of a player's shot. I don't know how guys like Tiger can ignore all those yahoos screaming after every shot.

Just imagine how good that playoff would have been last night. Now, I can't even find it on my channel guide - I'm going to have to set the DVR to record 7 hours of regular NBC programming in hopes that the US Open coverage is on there somewhere.

I'm eating my words about the US open right now - it wasn't the slow march that I've come to dislike. The setup allowed for some legitimate birdie & eagle chances along with the usual threat of bogey or worse. I never thought I'd say this, but the US Open has moved ahead of the Masters in terms of excitement at this point. Congrats to Mike Davis. P.S. anyone think they'll be able to get away with this type of setup at one of those stuffy private courses? Isn't it the members who are most concerned about 'protecting' the course?

If Tiger tries not to make it 'all about the knee', why can't the commentators & crew rise to the occasion and just focus on the shot once in a while? At one point, I thought they'd stop showing the ball landing in favor of just focusing on Tiger's pants.

jneu - I was nodding my head at all of your above comments. Well said, especially the Phil points.
06.16.2008 | Unregistered Commenterdsl
I'm kind of with you on that Truth. It seems the more wayward a drive is, the more a player actually gets relief due to the trampled ground.
How many times have we seen Tiger in his career hit a drive that is way to the left or right, only to see him either get a favorable lie, or some miraculous kick, a drop, etc.
Bomb and Gouge golf at its best.
06.16.2008 | Unregistered Commentersage
sage and Truth: OK, but what's the answer to that problem? Move the galleries even further away? Don't allow galleries at all? Set OB stakes on every hole?

06.16.2008 | Unregistered Commenterjneu
Don't know jneu, but there is definitely truth in that a guy that is seven yards off the fairway is totally screwed, while a guy that is 17 yards off could get a favorable lie.
The ob stakes is the only answer I can think of at the moment, but that goes against my thinking that if you can hit your ball, it's in play.
06.16.2008 | Unregistered Commentersage
Miller embarrased himself by saying that Rocco looked like the guy who cleans Tiger's pool.

Keith86: Are you serious? I can't think of too many sports where Advil is a performance enhancer.
06.16.2008 | Unregistered CommenterC. Freeman

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