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Monday
Oct092017

Trump Golf's UK Courses Suffer Losses In 2016

I'd caution against judging the losses at Turnberry as anything beyond the cost of renovation. And as detailed in Severinn Carrell's Guardian story, these 2016 numbers are pre-election, pre-madness.

However, the losses for Trump International Links in Aberdeen appear to be caused by a combination of factors and do not speak to a strong future for the Martin Hawtree-designed course, which appears to have been ruled out as a Scottish Open venue this summer by the tournament sponsor.

The latest accounts for his network of Scottish companies show he had to plough another £1.3m into his debt-ridden resort in Aberdeenshire to keep it afloat after the North Sea crisis saw its popularity slump among local golfers.

Trump International Golf Links Scotland lost nearly £1.2m in 2016, forcing Trump to increase his interest-free loans to the resort to nearly £41m ($54m) while he was campaigning for the presidency last year.

In their annual report, the Trump organization cited various factors.

The “crash in oil price and economic downturn” which had hit the north-east of Scotland had seen its income fall by 12.4%, he said, while winter storms had badly damaged part of its 18-hole championship course.

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Oh Donny Boy.....
The debts the debts are mounting.....
From course to course....
And down the profit sheeeeet.

The summer's gone
And all the rounds are falling.....
It's you it's you....
I hope we never meeeeet....
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCroDad
Isn't Aberdeen really very tough, even on a windless day? Never played it.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCenter Cut
Ailsa/May to October: Visitors 325 GBP (Mon - Th.); Visitors 350 GBP (Fri - Sun). Tee time after 12 Noon.

Trump Int'l/May to October: Non-Scottish visitors 235 GBP (7 days).
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterFC
Geez up to this point in time, owning a golf course has been like printing money...
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterOdd Job
Cro Dad- oh yea!

The real FIGJAM,-donnie - JAH...he'll tell you.

Nature could reclaim that place in less than a decade. Good.

dig
10.9.2017 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
This is great news for Trump haters. If their prayers are answered, he’ll shut them all down and put hundreds of people out of work.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterSea Hag
Missed it by that much! My guess was comment #3. What? Shut down the world's greatest golf courses? Surely you jest, Ms. Hag!
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterKLG
Last week it was about a private club selling,this week about a controversial course built in a pristine area.

I love golf, but not as much as nature. Let it go back to nature, onnie- or move there and live happily ever after,.

!00's out of work theoretically; hundreds of thousands in much worse condition- all from one mentally ill man.

25 the guy before he sends your kid to Korea to die. Put in the Constitution to relieve us of a sick president.

dig

btw- i do not hate donnie. It's his actions i hate- he is not mentally well.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered Commenterdigsouth
Note to lobbyists: Remember to schedule big dollar events at the Trump courses, if you want presidential access....
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBud
digsouth
Hundreds out of work if they closed, not theoretically like the hundreds of thousands you’re dreaming up, but literally.
A tax base gone. Suppliers hurt. Tourism for the areas, big hit. On the selfish front, another depressing hit to golf. Everything suffers.
In the end, if you think your bit of comeuppance will send Trump to the poor house, you might want to visit another type of doctor.

Actually, it might be good to let some of these places go down the tubes. Only the harsh outcomes will demonstrate to the leftists how insane their thinking really is.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterSea Hag
Or instead of closing down, a new owner would come in and buy them for cents in the dollar and operate them privately. Happens to courses all the time.

Maybe Donny is like Moe Greene in Vegas - unlucky.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTighthead
@Tighthead
That would be.......ironic seeing as how that is the business model for Donny 2 Scoops' golf course portfolio.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterCroDad
Cro,

As per Larry Gatlin, it don't matter at all where you've played before, Caledonia's a brand new game.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterTighthead
As a CPA, I think maybe I can speak to these matters.

A) What losses? GAAP? Tax? Some Non-GAAP metric?

B) Are these pure operating cash flow deficits?


What matters is this, and in this order:

A) Are the courses generating actual positive operating cash in-flows. If not, then this is an issue. That means that the operations (i.e - cost to turn on the lights etc...) are not recovered through operations.

B) Assuming they are running a net positive cash inflow, then what matters after that is all about whether, ultimately, current operating cash in-flows can eventually provide a return on investment. What matters is whether cash in-flows can cover the cost of debt financed capital investments, including future interest payments. If cash inflows cannot recover those costs, then yes, this is a loss.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBrad
Also -

something to consider. The Trump brand name is a trade mark. Those have value. And often, parents charge their subs "fees" for those brand names.

Why does this matter. Because that loss being discussed could be driven, in large part, to tax avoidance schemes with the Parent (Trump Co.) charging the courses a huge fee for use of the Trump name.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBrad
Blaming the “crash in oil price and economic downturn”. What a load of BS. The whole business model was based on international tourists, not locals. Trump's a dangerous dickhead and sane people don't want to have anything to do with him, let alone pay exorbitant prices for his golf courses.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterIan B.
Course looks great. But I never pay more than £150.00 to play it. Way too steep a green fee.
10.9.2017 | Unregistered CommenterEasingwold
Whilst not being a Trump fan I hope his Scottish courses start to prosper. Although I think Aberdeen is too hard it is a spectacular course and ironically has helped Royal Aberdeen and Cruden Bay with visitor numbers. The upgrade a Turnberry is fantastic and I'm sure long term will prove a good investment. I still find it hard to believe he was voted in as POTUS but on the golfing front he does seem to have the nous to employ the right people, give them a decent budget and produce a good product.
10.10.2017 | Unregistered Commenterchico
I've never been to Scotland, but by all accounts, there seems to be an abundance of existing, very fine, established golf courses...they say some have been there for quite a while...was there really a need to build the greatest links course ever?
10.10.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBDF
The main problem is Trump considers golf to be "aspirational". Therefore he has jacked up green fees astronomically. Why would you pay 350 pounds for Turnberry when you can play Troon for 100 less and Prestwick for less than 200? Why would you pay 200+ for Trump International when you can play Cruden Bay for much less. That is why the golf courses are losing money. Also spending a lot of money on ostentatious clubhouses probably doesn't help the cause much in attracting most golfers, but does increase the fixed costs.
10.10.2017 | Unregistered CommenterElChapin
I played the Trump Links Aberdeen course this past Saturday morning and there were only a handful of groups out so I would say the course is not getting the play they desired. Contrasted to Dornoch, Cruden Bay and Castle Stuart where there were a lot of visitors. In terms of the golf course I found it overly penal, the rough is so high off the fairway, it was an automatic lost ball (it may as well be water). Also, the greens are tricked up, all have false fronts, multiple tiers and fall away on all sides. Didn't find it particularly enjoyable especially given the amount paid.
10.10.2017 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Sabino
Don't like Trump, but I like Trump in Aberdeen and Turnberry (if you can stomach seeing his name on the urinal, almost kidding) ... Aberdeen is stunning and he improved Turnberry. Overly penal, maybe, but views are incredible. Turnberry along the lighthouse is better than it was the first time I played it in 2001. Trump LA, however, is garbage, unless you have a great weather day and are just out for a nice walking while viewing Catalina.
10.10.2017 | Unregistered CommenterBill
Stay away from the bloated and concentrate on the underlings.
10.10.2017 | Unregistered CommenterFC

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